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Old 03-06-08, 05:15 PM
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Front tire clipping my toe when I turn

Do other folks have that problem? I have almost crashed many times and I'm getting tired of it. I have a RedLine 'cross bike and size 11 feet. Is there anything I can do to eliminate this problem? If I need to get a different bike what type would you recommend? I'm thinking touring frame, especially since I like to run fenders, but will even a touring bike have enough clearance for fenders?

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Are you a tall guy/girl or no? Surly makes some of their bikes with smaller wheels (in the smaller framesizes) in order to keep people's feet from hitting them.
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Nah, I'm an average 5'10". In fact, I thought I was pretty average all around. Do you all have the same issue and just live with it or is there something strange going on in my world?
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Do other folks have that problem? I have almost crashed many times and I'm getting tired of it. I have a RedLine 'cross bike and size 11 feet. Is there anything I can do to eliminate this problem? If I need to get a different bike what type would you recommend? I'm thinking touring frame, especially since I like to run fenders, but will even a touring bike have enough clearance for fenders?

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Plan your turns

Honestly, it's a problem on some bikes and not on others. My Las Cruces is just fine...even with fenders. My T800 (touring bike) is short enough that I can just about stop the wheel if I don't plan my feet position in a sharp turn. I don't even entertain the idea of putting fenders on that bike. You get used to it.
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When you're turning, the pedal on the inside of the turn should be up and the other one down.
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I get it at times on my cross check with 50mm tires and fenders. Planet bike fenders are better fo overlap issues because the adjustment is at the fork end and there is no excess material at the fender. I just ordered some 40mm tires to replace the ones that are on my Xcheck because of the overlap issue.

Your choices are shorter crank arms, skinnier tires, or no fenders. I agree, it sucks and is dangerous. I'm so used to not pedaling when steering, which screws me up when mountain biking. It makes me over cautious no matter which bike I'm riding.

Sometimes I think bikes are completely backward. Mountain bikes climb obstacles better with 700c wheels, and road bikes avoid overlap better with 26" wheels.

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It's only a problem for me when doing extremely low speed turns. Solution? Go faster!
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I agree, low speed turns are the big problem because that's when you just HAVE to pedal sometimes--too slow to coast. I stop and start a lot at intersections and just about did and endo the other day taking off from a stop when my front wheel was turned a little and I was standing and leaning forward to power across the street--toe caught, stopped the front wheel dead and the back end came right up.

I'm afraid I'm going to be hard to please here since I'd like to keep away from skinny tires, keep my fenders and my cranks. Besides the Las Cruces (which is a little out of my price range, dang it) does anyone have specific suggestions about a bike that would work here? Anyone have a Surly LHT or an REI Randonee? Or another cross bike?
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JeffBeerMan, do you think the 40mm tires will clear up the problem on the CrossCheck? What size frame/feet you got?
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JeffBeerMan, do you think the 40mm tires will clear up the problem on the CrossCheck? What size frame/feet you got?
5'10" tall, 54cm ST / 56cm TT (surly says it's a 54, but it fits like most road 56s), 10-1/2 shoe (eu 45), 50mm tires (700x48c) + fenders, 175mm cranks

I didn't have the problem before I put on the fat tires and woody fenders with fender-end-adjustments (just like sks fenders). At one time I had 28mm tires with planet bike fenders and didn't have any trouble.

With the 50mm tires, I adjusted the fender as close to the tire as possible and clipped off the excess fender strut on my woody's fenders. Now the problem is rare but still happens.

I just ordered some 700x38 marathon supremes and plan to keep the fender tight and clip off a little more of the strut. This should eliminate it unless I'm using the platform side of my pedal and let my foot rest too far forward.

I actually prefer 170mm cranks, but my bike came with 175 so I'm kinda stuck with them. If I ever replace them I'll go 170 and likely eliminate overlap alltogether. I like fat tires so I'm gonna stay as fat as I can get away with (and 50mm is simply too fat for the cross check)

My trek 1200 had overlap when I tried to squeeze fenders on it too, and it has 23mm tires and 170mm cranks. I think a lot of road frames are hopeless with this issue.

Edited to add: I still have overlap on my xc with the new 700x38s, but not nearly as severe as with the 50s. I guess its just a road bike weakness, I'm not going to put super-skinny rough-riding tires on it just for low-speed steering

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Just about every bike I have owned has that feature. No biggie. You get used to it and plan your turns appropriately.
Try having toe overlap on a fixed gear. I tend to unclip when turning on that bike or just make wide turns.
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I have horrible overlap on my bikes. Just learned to deal with it.
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I can make it happen on my bikes, but I have to do it on purpose. As a matter of practical use of a bike, it's not a problem.
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Watch the overlap if you use studded tires. I shredded a new set of neoprene booties by taking a turn too slow.
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All my road bikes have overlap. It's almost impossible to avoid when you're running with fenders although at least those just move out of the way a bit.

I used to get toe strikes some years back but these days it almost never happens. On turns with higher wheel deflections I think I tend to stop pedalling automatically with the outside foot low. Especially on the faster turns with more lean. I had a pedal strike on my single that almost tossed me on the road in front of an oncoming bus. Since then I don't pedal when I need to lean even semi far. Changes your whole outlook it does..... On turns with minimal wheel deflection I know I keep pedalling. Somehow my saddle time has made it an instinct to know when to use one or the other and I don't honestly think about it at all anymore. But I know I used to pay a lot of attention to this issue way back over the first couple of years.

A longer fitting touring bike will probably not have this happen but you'll be giving up that snappy turn action that comes with shorter wheelbases.

And cyclocross and touring frames share the same sort of tire and fender clearance. Maybe even more so on the touring bike.
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Lean more, turn less. It's possible.
My bike has lots of overlap, yet i never hit the wheel. Somehow I must just deal with it without thinking about it.
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Well, thanks everyone. It sounds like I will learn to live with it at some point. I never realized how common it is.
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I have 11.5 size feet/shoes. The only time I experience this when my shoes are not clipped in and my foots are sitting to far forward on the pedals. This happened on my too small mtb and my now possibly too large CX framed bike.

Once my feet are locked into the pedals, I have never touched the tire. I do a few very low speed orbits at busway intersections waiting for the lights to change.

If you are experiencing this with platform pedals, try clipless.
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Yeah I sometimes do half pedal strokes back and forth on really slow sections where I have to get through a chicane type of gate on a path, and I'm stuck behind dawdling pedestrians, so my outside foot doesn't have to go all the way forward.
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Amputate your toes!
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Originally Posted by Txthroop View Post
Is there anything I can do to eliminate this problem?
-Chris
(1) 650B conversion (google it)
(2) Be aware of it and cycle accordingly (uphills in traffic or weaving around obstacles are the worst situations because you are turning sharply but still have to pedal)
(3) Get a new bike
(4) Forefoot amputation

Re type of bike - depends enormously - best is to test ride with this in mind. It won't happen on MTBs, it shouldn't happen on commuting/touring/hybrid bikes (but often does), it really dosen't matter on road racing bikes.
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Ok. You've convinced me. I'm not going to put up with it any longer. I'm getting the amputation.
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I have big feet and I've never once experienced anything like this...?
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I have big feet and I've never once experienced anything like this...?
What kind of bike do you ride? Mountain bike, road bike, hybrid, touring, cruiser? What brand also?
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What size are your cranks? Smaller ones could help some, but you will probably still have some overlap.
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