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Old 04-24-08, 04:02 PM
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Paddy Wagon or San Jose for commute?

Bianchi San Jose or Kona Paddy Wagon for commute?
What's your opinion? Commute is 15 miles each way, two mellow hills, and is mostly highway.

I was pretty set on the Kona Paddy Wagon, but the guy at the LBS says, BY FAR, the better commuter is the Bianchi San Jose, as it's more upright and more comfortable.

Help!

Bike would be used for commuting only, with riser bars. Fenders aren't really an issue as it doesn't really rain much here.

Thanks!
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Old 04-24-08, 04:08 PM
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I believe both would be good commuters. However, I doubt that the san jose is a far better commuter. In my case upright<>more comfortable.
Test ride both of them and then decide.

I considered both before deciding to build up a frame as a fixed gear instead.
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Old 04-24-08, 05:06 PM
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I think it really depends on you, and your preferences. Some prefer to be more upright, some prefer to be more hunched over. Ride 'em both, go with the one you like best, not which one the LBS dude likes best.
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Old 04-24-08, 07:09 PM
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I prefer the San Jose.
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Old 04-24-08, 07:20 PM
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Yes, ride them both and pick the one YOU like best.

I commute on San Jose and like it, but I also like the fact that the Kona Paddy Wagon comes with a flip-flop.

You may just have a LBS trying to get last years San Jose model sold.

PS. I put a longer stem on the San Jose so I would not ride upright. I also added a flip-flop.
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Old 04-24-08, 07:27 PM
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My San Jose came with a flip-flop hub so I can go fixie if I want. It has been very comfy for the 800 or so commuting miles I've put on it since February. I have heard good things about the Kona as well, so you probably should just try to ride both and go for the one that feels best.

FWIW, I commute on a bike trail that used to be a rail-bed, so it is FLAT. I do have a headwind most days riding home after work though.
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Old 04-25-08, 12:46 AM
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The San Jose does fine for me, I have an 06 with the flip-flop. I test rode the Paddy Wagon and Giant's Bowry and they didn't feel especially crouchy to me. I passed on those because they felt "flexy" when pedaling hard. Check out at other bikes too! Jamis Sputnik looks nice, and personally I'd still like to try out a Raleigh One Way.

A bike you've ridden and liked is worth two in the catalog.
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Old 04-25-08, 09:03 AM
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If it matters to you, the San Jose has rack mounts. The Paddy Wagon doesn't. Kind of a deal-breaker for me.

+1 on checking out the Raleigh One Way. Seems to be one of the best single-speed/fixed commuters out there. Great spec, reasonable $$.
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I have a Giant Bowery. I really like it. I wanted a San Jose, but they aren't available in Canada & I didn't want to put in the work to get one across the border.
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Old 04-30-08, 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rice View Post
I was pretty set on the Kona Paddy Wagon, but the guy at the LBS says, BY FAR, the better commuter is the Bianchi San Jose, as it's more upright and more comfortable.
Looking at the pic of the Kona, I doubt that it is "more upright". I have San Jose, and with the stem flipped up, it has handlebars a little lower than the seat, just like the Kona. Maybe it depends on the frame size? Try which fits you better.

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Old 04-30-08, 04:59 AM
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Not commuter related, but, with the bad weather here in MN, I did the bike part of a duathlon on my San Jose last weekend and placed in my age group, despite the hills and wind. I love my San Jose, but it also fits me like a glove.

And, yeah, I did leave the fenders on.
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Old 07-06-08, 07:49 PM
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The guy at the LBS gave you good advice. If you're using the bike primarily for commuting, his recommendation to go with the one that puts you in a more upright position, is correct. For commuting, you want to be in an upright position to see what's going on around you. That being said, it still comes down to personal preference. The stem rise on the Bianchi, is somewhat higher than on the Kona. If you favor the Kona, you can change out the stem for a more upright riding position.
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Old 07-07-08, 01:24 AM
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Unless you have Irish ancestry or are Rex Kramer (thrill seeker) I'd go for the Bianchi. "Paddy" is a derogatory term for the Irish. And therefore the police vehicle called a "paddy wagon" is... well, you should be able to figure it out. Would you get a bike called the N-word? What do you think would happen if you rode your N-word bike through an inner city? What the hell was the marketing department thinking?
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Old 07-07-08, 02:19 AM
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I have a kona paddy wagon , love it but i dont commute on it, great fun but its not that comfy on longish rides
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Old 07-07-08, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by unkchunk View Post
Unless you have Irish ancestry .... "Paddy" is a derogatory term for the Irish. And therefore the police vehicle called a "paddy wagon" is... well, you should be able to figure it out. Would you get a bike called the N-word? What do you think would happen if you rode your N-word bike through an inner city? What the hell was the marketing department thinking?

Im Irish, well from way back. Most of us have a sense of humour.
Paddy isn't usually derogatory... paddy wagon probably comes from the fact most cops were irish way back.
Unless there are roving bands of leprechauns in your town your should be safe riding the Kona(and if there are the wee fellas can't run very fast anyways).
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Old 07-07-08, 03:45 AM
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What's Irish and comes out in the spring time?























Paddy O'furniture!
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Old 07-07-08, 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by unkchunk View Post
Unless you have Irish ancestry or are Rex Kramer (thrill seeker) I'd go for the Bianchi. "Paddy" is a derogatory term for the Irish. And therefore the police vehicle called a "paddy wagon" is... well, you should be able to figure it out. Would you get a bike called the N-word? What do you think would happen if you rode your N-word bike through an inner city? What the hell was the marketing department thinking?
Racist.



From the much loved, recently passed great George Carlin...

"The words are completely neutral. The words are innocent. I get tired of people talking about bad words and bad language. Bull****! It's the context that makes them good or bad. The context. That makes them good or bad. For instance, you take the word "n*****." There is absolutely nothing wrong with the word "n*****" in and of itself. It's the racist a****** who's using it that you ought to be concerned about. We don't mind when Richard Pryer or Eddie Murphy say it. Why? Because we know their not racist. Their n*****s! Context. Context. We don't mind their context because we know their black. Hey, I know I'm whitey, the blue-eyed devil, paddy-o, fay gray boy, honkey, mother-****er myself. Don't bother my ass. They're only words. You can't be afraid of words that speak the truth, even if it's an unpleasant truth, like the fact that there's a bigot and a racist in every living room on every street corner in this country."
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Old 07-07-08, 07:49 AM
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lol

Some of us always seem to be on the lookout for something to offend us.
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Originally Posted by d2create View Post
From the much loved, recently passed great George Carlin...
George Carlin? Who's George Carlin?

Others may know more though.
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Old 07-07-08, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ch9862 View Post
George Carlin? Who's George Carlin?

Others may know more though.
Even Germans would find humor in George Carlin. They have Google in Germany, right?
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Originally Posted by d2create View Post
Racist.



From the much loved, recently passed great George Carlin...

"The words are completely neutral. The words are innocent. I get tired of people talking about bad words and bad language. Bull****! It's the context that makes them good or bad. The context. That makes them good or bad. For instance, you take the word "n*****." There is absolutely nothing wrong with the word "n*****" in and of itself. It's the racist a****** who's using it that you ought to be concerned about. We don't mind when Richard Pryer or Eddie Murphy say it. Why? Because we know their not racist. Their n*****s! Context. Context. We don't mind their context because we know their black. Hey, I know I'm whitey, the blue-eyed devil, paddy-o, fay gray boy, honkey, mother-****er myself. Don't bother my ass. They're only words. You can't be afraid of words that speak the truth, even if it's an unpleasant truth, like the fact that there's a bigot and a racist in every living room on every street corner in this country."
I'm confused. What does "a******", "mother-******", and "n*****" mean?

And how come there's only seven words we can't say on television, but there seems to be hundreds we can't write on the internet? Do we need a government censor to make the web communication more free? And how come Spell Check allows "mother-******"? It seem pointless by just putting in a few asterixes... asterixses... aster****s and all a sudden the word is spelled correctly.
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Old 07-07-08, 09:13 PM
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I had a san jose when they first came out.... I really liked the ride on mine.... but someone stole it on me......so that gets my vote. I used racks and panniers on it a lot on some moderate hilly rides.
 
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Originally Posted by No Chain View Post
If it matters to you, the San Jose has rack mounts. The Paddy Wagon doesn't. Kind of a deal-breaker for me.
I agree. If I were to buy another bike as SS/Fixed for commuting this would also be a deal breaker for me.
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Originally Posted by unkchunk View Post
I'm confused. What does "a******", "mother-******", and "n*****" mean?

And how come there's only seven words we can't say on television, but there seems to be hundreds we can't write on the internet? Do we need a government censor to make the web communication more free? And how come Spell Check allows "mother-******"? It seem pointless by just putting in a few asterixes... asterixses... aster****s and all a sudden the word is spelled correctly.

arsehole, mother****er, and *****h. How's that? Clear enuff for ya?

And ya, i totally agree... the asterisks are so lame. Like we really don't know what's being said. And since we know what's being said anyway, how does the asterisks make it any better? They're just words, anyway right? The context is still there!
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Originally Posted by zmorgan View Post
I agree. If I were to buy another bike as SS/Fixed for commuting this would also be a deal breaker for me.
Agreed x2.
Plus, there's just something about Bianchi. It's like what would you buy if they were pretty much the same price... a bmw or a saturn? The Bianchi just screams quality over Kona for some reason. And I've owned a kona before. They're ok. Nuttin special.
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