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stockholm 05-22-08 12:44 AM


Originally Posted by Pista Largo (Post 6734109)
My wife has a kronan (Well, she has about 8 bikes, one of which is a Kronan). Single speed. Coaster brake. Cast iron fenders and chain guard. Okay they are not really cast iron, but the bike IS very heavy. Perhaps 50 lbs. It has huge racks on both front and back. It's really made for carrying stuff. Long wheelbase! It has a lot of squeaks and noise. This would probably improve if someone lubricated everything and tightened all the nuts.

I'm serious about the dangerous part, though. I only have Swedish links, but tests show that the Kronan bikes have major issues re: the fork and the back rack and more. Wheels fell off during testing when the fork split in two, etc. It's pretty, but it's not a commuter.

botto 05-23-08 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by stockholm (Post 6719779)
Word of advice: stay clear of Kronan bikes. All looks and no substance. Downright dangerous, actually.

correct.

botto 05-23-08 05:14 AM


Originally Posted by Lot's Knife (Post 6739003)
Beefy chains predominate in every Dutch City, but yeah, I never saw anything in Brussels, Antwerp or Bruges (or anywhere else in the Lowlands) other than the slenderest of cable locks. Difficult to believe people are putting up with rampant bike theft and not changing their strategies ...

fixed.

sping 05-23-08 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by robertlinthicum (Post 6725133)
A bit off topic, but I once read a satirical (overtly sexist & decidedly not PC) blog that held as its thesis that women fantasize about living in Europe and riding around an old city on a bicycle similar to the Dutch bicycles that are the subject of this thread. The blogger claimed that they dream about riding around a small, perfect town to cheese shops and bakeries, and a return home that evening to a romantic life of friends, home-cooked meals, and laughter. This entire fantasy, he claimed, was held together by this bike (with, one can only assume, a front wicker basket).

I think that makes me a woman. Or something. Though as someone else said, the fantasy would revolve around the cheese shop for me, more than the bike.

Seriously though, could it get better than a biking to a home cooked meal with friends and laughter and cheese (and wine)?

chumbolly 05-23-08 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by sping (Post 6746581)
I think that makes me a woman. Or something. Though as someone else said, the fantasy would revolve around the cheese shop for me, more than the bike.

Seriously though, could it get better than a biking to a home cooked meal with friends and laughter and cheese (and wine)?

If you're in Somerville, then you can live the dream. Step One: get yourself over to http://dutchbikes.us/ on Broadway. Step Two: Duck into Formaggio Kitchen (in Heron Village) or Dave's Fresh Pasta for the wine, cheese and baguette on your ride home. I'm putting a basket on my bike specifically because it's a pain to carry a bottle of wine home from Dave's in my back pack. Feel free to skip step one in the event you're not filthy rich.

VintageRaleigh 05-26-08 07:41 PM

I know people will disagree with me on what I have to say, but nobody will argue that $800 is alot of money to drop on something that you might retire in 2 months in favor of a transit pass.

First off, before finding out which bike is right for you, find out if the commute is really right for you. My suggestion (and I'm surprised that nobody has said this yet) is that you buy what is really considered to be the origin of this species, an English three speed. They're just as heavy, slow, comfortable and equally if not more indestructible. Find one at a garage sale or craigslist for 120 or so bucks and ride that for a while to see if you're comfortable with that sort of weight/riding position and if the ride is ok with you.

I know that people laugh at these bikes, and no often they aren't as pretty as the hipster bikes in the ads you've probably seen for Jorg and Olif but let's be honest- they're practically the same thing.

Pedaleur 05-27-08 01:10 AM


Originally Posted by robertlinthicum (Post 6725133)
A bit off topic, but I once read a satirical (overtly sexist & decidedly not PC) blog that held as its thesis that women fantasize about living in Europe and riding around an old city on a bicycle similar to the Dutch bicycles that are the subject of this thread. The blogger claimed that they dream about riding around a small, perfect town to cheese shops and bakeries, and a return home that evening to a romantic life of friends, home-cooked meals, and laughter. This entire fantasy, he claimed, was held together by this bike (with, one can only assume, a front wicker basket).

He even included a picture of what appeared to be an Azor Oma.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

http://www.taarnby-cykler.dk/grafik/...bikes_bill.jpg

wahoonc 05-27-08 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by VintageRaleigh (Post 6764786)
I know people will disagree with me on what I have to say, but nobody will argue that $800 is alot of money to drop on something that you might retire in 2 months in favor of a transit pass.

First off, before finding out which bike is right for you, find out if the commute is really right for you. My suggestion (and I'm surprised that nobody has said this yet) is that you buy what is really considered to be the origin of this species, an English three speed. They're just as heavy, slow, comfortable and equally if not more indestructible. Find one at a garage sale or craigslist for 120 or so bucks and ride that for a while to see if you're comfortable with that sort of weight/riding position and if the ride is ok with you.

I know that people laugh at these bikes, and no often they aren't as pretty as the hipster bikes in the ads you've probably seen for Jorg and Olif but let's be honest- they're practically the same thing.

+1:thumb:
I can attest to the durability of the old Raleighs. I have one that has well over 15,000 miles on it, was never treated like a museum piece and is still going strong 35 years after it left Nottingham and 25 years after I got my hands on it.

Aaron:)

robertlinthicum 05-27-08 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by Pedaleur (Post 6766251)

YES. YES. She's definitely got cheese on her mind. Well done.

glacierre 05-27-08 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by botto (Post 6746278)
Beefy chains predominate in every Dutch City
fixed.

Well... over half of the bikes I see are just using a rear wheel lock and tied to nothing else.

I think it's about statistical safety. You know your bike is pretty easy to steal, but what are the chances of getting precisely yours stolen among the other two hundred parked in the square?

Pedaleur 05-27-08 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by robertlinthicum (Post 6766427)
YES. YES. She's definitely got cheese on her mind. Well done.

Hosever, in the interest of full disclosure, I should point out that she's thinking about Havarti, not Gouda.

Map tester 05-27-08 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by robertlinthicum (Post 6766427)
YES. YES. She's definitely got cheese on her mind. Well done.

The quote about women, Europe, and bikes: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpres...0/61-bicycles/

:lol:

katmu 05-27-08 04:15 PM

Maptester, that article is too funny, and sadly true. I DO dream about living in Europe and riding my city bike to the cheese shop and then having a picnic with my cheese and a bottle of good wine.

HoustonGal 05-27-08 07:49 PM

When I lived in Ann Arbor, I once rode home with a bottle of wine, a baguette, and the makings of a nice pesto.

The basil and baguette sticking out of an REI pannier attached to the rack of a Schwinn comfort bike doesn't really fulfill the fantasy, does it?

But I almost lived the dream.

Jonahhobbes 05-27-08 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by Lot's Knife (Post 6732792)

Hmmm looks a bit tinny to me and looks like a ghost bike:(

jamesdenver 05-27-08 10:24 PM

I lived out my Dutch cycling dream this past March. Had an apartment for about 2 weeks, immediately rented a bike from a local place (i.e. not tourist rental stuff attached) and biked all over the city to museums, clubs, bars, restaurants, out in the country in all types of weather.

I had a good heavy chains with lock built into the chain which worked great for security. I miss it. Bike City I'll be back soon! I even have a video rental card and know where everything is in the Abert Heijn on Westerstrat.

goldfishin 05-28-08 12:14 AM


Originally Posted by robertlinthicum (Post 6725133)
A bit off topic, but I once read a satirical (overtly sexist & decidedly not PC) blog that held as its thesis that women fantasize about living in Europe and riding around an old city on a bicycle similar to the Dutch bicycles that are the subject of this thread. The blogger claimed that they dream about riding around a small, perfect town to cheese shops and bakeries, and a return home that evening to a romantic life of friends, home-cooked meals, and laughter. This entire fantasy, he claimed, was held together by this bike (with, one can only assume, a front wicker basket).

He even included a picture of what appeared to be an Azor Oma.

Discuss amongst yourselves.

they make movies like that for a reason.

Lot's Knife 05-28-08 02:55 AM

Beefy chains predominate everywhere in the Netherlands?

Not in the slightest. Been to Sluis lately?

ok_commuter 06-01-08 12:37 PM

This is on CL in Austin right now:
http://austin.craigslist.org/bik/702639910.html

Is "Batavus" the Dutch equivalent of "Huffy"?

donnamb 06-01-08 01:13 PM

I think it's more like Marin-Jamis range.


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