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New Job, New Commute:11.5 miles, two big hills, and two fast dogs.

Old 07-25-08, 10:08 PM
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New Job, New Commute:11.5 miles, two big hills, and two fast dogs.

Took my first cycling trip out to my new job found the only route that doesnt have me hugging the shoulder of 75 mph traffic, or hitting lights at every intersection, however I did find two unleashed dogs... a Rotty, and something else, didnt really take time to look.. Ive passed by dogs before most have just playfully chased for a couple houses and give up... these dogs sounded like they were out for blood, barking and sprinting. I had a tiny head wind and slight uphill grade, and they kept up with me pretty good for about 4 blocks, and one big intersection. finally a Subaru started honking at the dogs, and sorta cut em off and gave me some space to get away. As it drove by a nice couple looked out the window and gave me a thumbs up.

anyhow, Think I'm going to invest in some pepperspray
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DOn't mess around with the dogs, one under your wheel and you're on the ground.
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Originally Posted by maddyfish View Post
DOn't mess around with the dogs, one under your wheel and you're on the ground.
yep, spray them.
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Originally Posted by Chetti View Post
Took my first cycling trip out to my new job found the only route that doesnt have me hugging the shoulder of 75 mph traffic, or hitting lights at every intersection, however I did find two unleashed dogs... a Rotty, and something else, didnt really take time to look.. Ive passed by dogs before most have just playfully chased for a couple houses and give up... these dogs sounded like they were out for blood, barking and sprinting. I had a tiny head wind and slight uphill grade, and they kept up with me pretty good for about 4 blocks, and one big intersection. finally a Subaru started honking at the dogs, and sorta cut em off and gave me some space to get away. As it drove by a nice couple looked out the window and gave me a thumbs up.

anyhow, Think I'm going to invest in some pepperspray
Find out who the owners are, get their addresses and report them to the Sherrifs Dept. Arm yourself w/mace, and an airhorn until the dogs are contained to your satisfaction. I've used a Crosman C11 bb pistol which shoots a projectile at 420 ft per sec and have 'trained' 3 dogs on my route to leave me alone. The other two methods didn't have alot of effect, but 3 stinging shots ea from about 15 ft seemed to convey that there is other less troublesome quarry. One irrate owner made a fuss until I offered him my cell phone to call the Sherriff as once the dogs reach the pavement I'm lawfully allowed to protect myself in the manner of my own choosing. THAT quelled THAT conversation and I haven't had a problem since.

BTW, of the two the airhorn is the most effective as it, usually stops them in their tracks. The Pepper spray or Mace comes in AFTER dismounting and using the bike as a shield. Aim for the eyes.
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If you can spray their eyes they really should stay away for life. it is a bit problematic while riding but not too bad if you slow down so the bike and you and the spray are all associated. Or call the sherriff.
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What if you blind them with that airsoft pistol?
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Originally Posted by nashcommguy View Post
Find out who the owners are, get their addresses and report them to the Sherrifs Dept. Arm yourself w/mace, and an airhorn until the dogs are contained to your satisfaction. I've used a Crosman C11 bb pistol which shoots a projectile at 420 ft per sec and have 'trained' 3 dogs on my route to leave me alone. The other two methods didn't have alot of effect, but 3 stinging shots ea from about 15 ft seemed to convey that there is other less troublesome quarry. One irrate owner made a fuss until I offered him my cell phone to call the Sherriff as once the dogs reach the pavement I'm lawfully allowed to protect myself in the manner of my own choosing. THAT quelled THAT conversation and I haven't had a problem since.

BTW, of the two the airhorn is the most effective as it, usually stops them in their tracks. The Pepper spray or Mace comes in AFTER dismounting and using the bike as a shield. Aim for the eyes.
I'd go with a layered defense. Pepperspray of the variety with the fire extinguisher head on it so it sprays far. Then maybe the airsoft if the Pepper spray doesn't handle it. You really don't want to mess with projectiles unless you absolutely positively have to put down the dog to save your hide. Court is a nasty time consuming activity. Event if it's small claims court for the cost of the dog or the vet bills.. Yeah.. best avoided..
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A tactic that has worked well for me over the years is scream NO as loud as you possibly can. That is the one word all dogs hear as puppies and is often followed by the owner giving corrective action. If nothing else it startles them enough to disrupt the chase in most cases. I have also used a water bottle filled with with water, tabasco and and some kind of menthol muscle rub in extreme cases. It will stop them in their tracks with no permanent damage. The water bottle will put out a much larger volume of liquid than most sprays will and can be used fairly accurately at speed. Just don't get it confused with your regular bottle or it will ruin your day. I don't agree with shooting at dogs especially now days, you are likely to get return fire from the owner and those rounds won't be BB's.
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Originally Posted by Yan View Post
What if you blind them with that airsoft pistol?
The OP had a BB pistol. Steel BBs, not airsoft. I'd say the chances of hitting a dog in the eye while riding are pretty slim. If it happens, so be it. The dogs should be confined. A blind dog is a small price to pay for not being injured.
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a 50% mixture of ammonia and water works wonders on problems dogs. Determined dogs will ignore pepper spray. I switched from pepper spray to ammonia/water after one such incident. That dog considered pepper spray leg seasoning. The ammonia wipes out there ability to smell causing them extreme duress. Just getting one drop anywhere on them is enough to stop them in there tracks and never bother you or anyone else on a bicycle.
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Originally Posted by Yan View Post
What if you blind them with that airsoft pistol?
They'll find it much harder to chase you and you're half way to the ideal situation of a dead dog.
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They'll find it much harder to chase you and you're half way to the ideal situation of a dead dog.
Wow. What kind of psycho would actually think that? I'll bet you used to pull the wings off of flies when you were little.
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face the dogs, dismount spray them

don't act like a hoofed animal just running away.
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I guess the water bottle idea is ok, if you don't, won't, or can't (probably illegal in some liberal states) buy pepper spray. But I don't want to waste one of my water bottle spots for a dog. Plus pepper spray works equally well on 4 legged attackers as 2 legged attackers.
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Wow. What kind of psycho would actually think that? I'll bet you used to pull the wings off of flies when you were little.
Someone who values their life more than that of an animals. I'm not a vegetarian so I eat animals, why would I have any moral or ethical problems about killing an animal which was likely to injure me as I've already proved through my eating habits that I value animals less than my own personal enjoyment of meat?
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Originally Posted by Sirrus Rider View Post
I'd go with a layered defense. Pepperspray of the variety with the fire extinguisher head on it so it sprays far. Then maybe the airsoft if the Pepper spray doesn't handle it. You really don't want to mess with projectiles unless you absolutely positively have to put down the dog to save your hide. Court is a nasty time consuming activity. Event if it's small claims court for the cost of the dog or the vet bills.. Yeah.. best avoided..
With respect to the OP for this 'thread hi-jack' I'll deal with the situation 'in the moment' as I see fit to protect myself and take my chances w/t owner(s) and /or court system.

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A tactic that has worked well for me over the years is scream NO as loud as you possibly can. That is the one word all dogs hear as puppies and is often followed by the owner giving corrective action. If nothing else it startles them enough to disrupt the chase in most cases. I have also used a water bottle filled with with water, tabasco and and some kind of menthol muscle rub in extreme cases. It will stop them in their tracks with no permanent damage. The water bottle will put out a much larger volume of liquid than most sprays will and can be used fairly accurately at speed. Just don't get it confused with your regular bottle or it will ruin your day. I don't agree with shooting at dogs especially now days, you are likely to get return fire from the owner and those rounds won't be BB's.
Have tried both the recommended options and didn't like the variance in the 'situational control' they gave me. My 'layered' defense system has come over alot of years of different cycling, including touring, commuting, roading, off-roading, etc. For the unfortunate owner who'd take up lethal arms I carry a Beretta Tomcat .32 cal pistol w/hollow point bullets. And I know how/when to use it.

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The OP had a BB pistol. Steel BBs, not airsoft. I'd say the chances of hitting a dog in the eye while riding are pretty slim. If it happens, so be it. The dogs should be confined. A blind dog is a small price to pay for not being injured.
I agree 100%.

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What if you blind them with that airsoft pistol?
See above.
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Someone who values their life more than that of an animals. I'm not a vegetarian so I eat animals, why would I have any moral or ethical problems about killing an animal which was likely to injure me as I've already proved through my eating habits that I value animals less than my own personal enjoyment of meat?
It's the "halfway to the ideal situation of a dead dog" business that makes me think you're a psycho, not the idea that you can eat animals. I could give two craps if you eat animals. Dogs in neighborhoods are peoples' pets. Now, irresponsible pet owners need to become responsible. Of course, it's not your fault that somebody would place you in the position of having to fend off their dogs. But, still, do you really think you have to kill them to ride your bike? You'd consider that to be "ideal?" That's just sick. You got issues, buddy.
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Originally Posted by keiththesnake View Post
It's the "halfway to the ideal situation of a dead dog" business that makes me think you're a psycho,
Would you like me to make it clearer and slightly less punchy. 'The ideal state for a dog which is out of control and dangerous is in a non-living state, the control of dangerous dogs by amateurs is a situation which carries an undue level of risk to the wider population'.

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Dogs in neighborhoods are peoples' pets.
Is this really relevant when talking about the safety of humans?

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Now, irresponsible pet owners need to become responsible.
At what point, before of after their pet has attacked someone?

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But, still, do you really think you have to kill them to ride your bike?
No, I don't consider the extermination of dogs necessary for the safe and effective riding of bicycles. I consider the extermination of dangerous/out of control dogs necessary for the safety of the wider population.

You may find my position distasteful and my wording unsympathetic but I genuinely believe that by eating meat you are effectively placing the enjoyment of humans above that of the lives of animals, once you've made that step then it's very easy to believe that the safety of humans is more important than the lives of animals.
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If this occurs more often than once, Sheriff sounds like a great plan. Meaning, maybe they had just escaped that day and now the owner will take extra caution to keep them contained. However, after that, I say call up the Sheriff and report it, every time it happens, if you don't want to answer 20 ?'s as they ask you all the details while you are trying to get to work, find out your local anonymous line and just call and report it with all the detail you think they need.

Air Zound Air Horn. 115 DB & Refillable with your bicycle pump = Win. Stops 'em in their Tracks.

Pepper Spray better than Mace, Pepper Spray = Immediate/difficulty with sight and smell, Mace = Pain, may take up to 15 mins to take effect.

Water bottle with Lemon &/or Lime Juice/Tabasco Sauce/etc. or a combo. Effectiveness against bipeds may be nominal, but for the dogs, it does have a wider spread/easier to hit their eyes. As for the biped attackers, except that the water bottle may not spray up very well, it's still a thought, just depends on the situation.

Here is a thought, never tried it, but I wonder if those pop rocks fireworks would work? You know those things you throw on cement and upon contact they snap/bang/tiny explosion? If you had a spare breast pocket or otherwise decent place to keep them, I would imagine grabbing a handful of those and tossing them in the dogs tracks/path would be a very humane way of getting them to end the chase. Plus this time of year I bet you could find some very cheaply. I found a route without dog problems, but if any of you find this to work well, please PM me and let me know.
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Great to hear that you're in the commuting world. I find it is a great stress reliever. My commuting route is through mostly residentual streets. On my way home, I pass my house and go to the park and surrounding streets to get an extra long ride. I carry pepper spray and used it once. Most dogs are still asleep in the early morning darkness and by the time they sense me, I'm already a few houses away.
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Originally Posted by EliteTempleton View Post

Here is a thought, never tried it, but I wonder if those pop rocks fireworks would work? You know those things you throw on cement and upon contact they snap/bang/tiny explosion? If you had a spare breast pocket or otherwise decent place to keep them, I would imagine grabbing a handful of those and tossing them in the dogs tracks/path would be a very humane way of getting them to end the chase. Plus this time of year I bet you could find some very cheaply. I found a route without dog problems, but if any of you find this to work well, please PM me and let me know.
This is an interesting idea, but I wonder if they work when they're wet (from the sweat in your pocket)? If not, keeping them in a dry place, opening it to get to them, etc. would be too time consuming for it to work.
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I tried a different route, didn't work well, I'd rather take my chances with the dogs than add an additional mile to get around things on safe streets. I'll be taking that route again tomorrow (depending on time, I may take it on my tall bike). I'm hoping that the dogs being out was a rare occurrence, I'll find out tomorrow... I'll arm myself with the water bottle being as I haven't had time to purchase a pepper spray. I'll try to make a note of the address so I can call cops if I run into them again as well.... I like dogs, and I believe they should be treated humanely, but If one is aggressive towards me, like the other day, Ill take action before I get bit and have to change my destination and go to the hospital, and/or get rabies shots, etc...
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I would imagine grabbing a handful of those and tossing them in the dogs tracks/path would be a very humane way of getting them to end the chase. Plus this time of year I bet you could find some very cheaply. I found a route without dog problems, but if any of you find this to work well, please PM me and let me know.
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The bike ninja would just disappear from the dog's view.
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This is an interesting idea, but I wonder if they work when they're wet (from the sweat in your pocket)? If not, keeping them in a dry place, opening it to get to them, etc. would be too time consuming for it to work.
Good point. I would think if they were only moist they probably would still work, but wet, I doubt it. I don't really sweat that much(got lucky in the gene pool selection), so this wasn't an issue I had thought of.

I guess you could also individually wrap them in saran wrap with those tiny rubber bands, like the braces size. Just not sure its worth the effort, or the need to explain the little white bags with rocks inside them wrapped in plastic...

I guess for now I'll just keep it on my drawing board. As I currently have a route where this is not an issue. Plus I don't yet have a super cool jersey with a breast pocket. I mean I could wear one of my black t-shirts as they have breast pockets, but those are cotton and not bright...

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