Originally Posted by MMACH 5
(Post 7169352)
Yep. I got my Fuji Touring from Performance for $595 on Father's Day weekend. Very similar specs to this one. The Fuji is only available in-store. I've got about 850 miles on it and each ride, I like it better.
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I buy a lot of accessories from Performance, but I'd never buy a bike there.
Internet forums are great for getting preliminary information, but there's no substitute to good, solid know how at your local LBS. What that "LBS" may be varies - maybe it really is Performance, maybe it's REI (bought a couple bikes there), maybe it's a locally owned shop (bought a bike there too, unfortunately). My wife went in to buy a hybrid from them a while back and they fed her pure garbage information trying to sell her on whatever overstock they had sitting around. Still - go with the place with the staff that knows the most and is the most helpful. You'll end up with the bike that fits you the best and the best support. You might pay more, but in the end what's cheap is expensive. |
Originally Posted by no motor?
(Post 7172366)
$595?!? I test rode one today at an independent shop where it was $950. At $950 it was easy to say no to, but at $595 it's going to be a lot harder!
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That Schwinn World Tour is a very nice looking bike! I really like the overall geometry of it. I do have an affinity for steel touring type bikes though :) Sounds like good components, too.
Hmm, I have $600 in scholarship money left over after tuition... but I should probably buy textbooks. Oh well. *pats 1985 touring bike comfortingly* |
That's a good price. I thought Schwinn stopped making those though? Ah, I'm thinking DBX--that had the disc brakes, while this is canti's. Still, not bad at all.
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Originally Posted by MMACH 5
(Post 7172789)
The price tag said $699, but I waited a day, since there was an in-store 15% off sale. That's what brought it down to $595.:)
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Originally Posted by no motor?
(Post 7173997)
I'm going to check that out. I'd like to support the smaller independent shops, but the price difference is way to big to do that.
Everyone's mileage will vary. As I mentioned earlier, the quality of the staff at three Performance shops in my area varies so widely that you would not guess they are connected by any corporate umbrella. I personally have had good experience with Performance. I have also had bad experience with Performance. Likewise, I have had good and bad experiences with independent LBSs. |
The Peformance in Charlottesville, VA that I got my '07 World DBX from did an excellent job of building my bike. I'm in my first week of commuting with it and have had no problems at all with it.
I usually try to use local LBS's for my bike buys but family economics left me will a very fixed budget for my commuter and this one fit the bill. |
Originally Posted by hosehead
(Post 7172692)
I buy a lot of accessories from Performance, but I'd never buy a bike there.
Internet forums are great for getting preliminary information, but there's no substitute to good, solid know how at your local LBS. What that "LBS" may be varies - maybe it really is Performance, maybe it's REI (bought a couple bikes there), maybe it's a locally owned shop (bought a bike there too, unfortunately). Those are the shops I should be relying on for a good buying experience? Unfortunately, we don't all get to live in a Bicycle Mecca. Don't take this as a defense of Performance, I don't shop there either. I would though if they were the only source of a bike I wanted. |
Originally Posted by YULitle
(Post 7170458)
Yeah, there goes my chances. Need tall bikes.
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Originally Posted by JeffS
(Post 7174603)
You mean that bike shops that don't carry commuter bikes, almost never have any bikes in my size, and are often staffed by people who know less about bikes that I do? My local Trek store does actually have a Madone in my size - the first road bike I've EVER seen in my size locally.
Those are the shops I should be relying on for a good buying experience? Unfortunately, we don't all get to live in a Bicycle Mecca. Don't take this as a defense of Performance, I don't shop there either. I would though if they were the only source of a bike I wanted. After riding a recreational road bike for 16 years, I wanted to find a commuter-style town bike. I spend time in Europe every summer, and I wanted good, European-style basic transportation. I came back from Europe this summer to see that gasoline cost about $4.25 in the DC area. Who needs that? Most shops in my area looked at me as if I was from Mars when I described what I wanted. One LBS, which used to carry Breezers, has moved into recumbents and "special-needs" bikes. The rest thought I meant either a mountain bike or a drop-bar bike for long touring. They had no concept of local transportation for errands on a bike. Only in one shop did I see a decent town bike with fenders, rack, chain guard, comfort geometry (the Schwinn World Avenue 1). That shop happened to be Performance. They had what I wanted, and so I bought it there. In all fairness to hosehead, though, at the end of his post he does point out that the LBS experience can be just as negative as the corporate-chain experience. |
Originally Posted by Schwinnrider
(Post 7169170)
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...estore_ID=1791
How about a steel framed, commuter oriented road bike complete with fenders and a rack for $650? I see a Deore rear derailleur and Tiagra brifters. Not bad spec. I'm sure the wheels aren't great, but they are a 32h/36h combo, which is smart. The bike seems like a poor man's Bianchi Castro Valley(when the CV was cool). The new Schwinn seems to be real quick to get on a hot trend. http://bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/tourist.htm And you get a free delivery too. But I wouldn't buy any of those. Instead, I'd spend a little exra and get Masi Speciale of Bianchi Volpe both of which have modern (not quill) stems and standard (not integrated) headsets. Just add a rack & mudguards of your choice for $60 & you'll have a much better bike. That's what I actually did with my Volpe and can't be happier with it :) |
Originally Posted by rfomenko
(Post 7174775)
Not to pick on Performance but there has been such a bike in many sizes available from:
http://bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/tourist.htm And you get a free delivery too. But I wouldn't buy any of those. Instead, I'd spend a little exra and get Masi Speciale of Bianchi Volpe both of which have modern (not quill) stems and standard (not integrated) headsets. Just add a rack & mudguards of your choice for $60 & you'll have a much better bike. That's what I actually did with my Volpe and can't be happier with it :) |
Originally Posted by m_yates
(Post 7174902)
The Tourist doesn't have an integrated headset, it is a standard 1" threaded headset, but doesn't have cartridge bearings. (I own a Tourist) Performance states the Schwinn World Tour has cartridge bearings on the integrated headset. Not sure which type of headset is better/worse between the two. I personally like the quill stems. It makes it easy to adjust handlebar height.
Once you dial in the correct hight, you basically leave it alone. The only problem is that the manufacturers cut the fork too low sometimes. But for that you can get a stem extender from Delta for $20 as I did with my Volpe. |
Worse than quills, IMHO, is integrated headsets...what're you going to do if you damage one of the integrated cups? If it gets pitted? Oh, yeah, replace the frame, right? Right...I'd rather be able to just replace the cups ;)
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Originally Posted by climbhoser
(Post 7175736)
Worse than quills, IMHO, is integrated headsets...what're you going to do if you damage one of the integrated cups? If it gets pitted? Oh, yeah, replace the frame, right? Right...I'd rather be able to just replace the cups ;)
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Originally Posted by climbhoser
(Post 7175736)
Worse than quills, IMHO, is integrated headsets...what're you going to do if you damage one of the integrated cups? If it gets pitted? Oh, yeah, replace the frame, right? Right...I'd rather be able to just replace the cups ;)
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Today was my first commute on the new World DBX. It was great. Especially coming from commuting for the last 2 years on a Schwinn 32 lb. full suspension big knobbed tire mountain bike.
While, I do miss the low gearing on the hill climbs, I don' t miss fighting the road with those fat knobbed tires. |
Originally Posted by shepdave
(Post 7174680)
Thanks. This is part of what I was trying to say.
After riding a recreational road bike for 16 years, I wanted to find a commuter-style town bike. I spend time in Europe every summer, and I wanted good, European-style basic transportation. I came back from Europe this summer to see that gasoline cost about $4.25 in the DC area. Who needs that? Most shops in my area looked at me as if I was from Mars when I described what I wanted. One LBS, which used to carry Breezers, has moved into recumbents and "special-needs" bikes. The rest thought I meant either a mountain bike or a drop-bar bike for long touring. They had no concept of local transportation for errands on a bike. Only in one shop did I see a decent town bike with fenders, rack, chain guard, comfort geometry (the Schwinn World Avenue 1). That shop happened to be Performance. They had what I wanted, and so I bought it there. In all fairness to hosehead, though, at the end of his post he does point out that the LBS experience can be just as negative as the corporate-chain experience. |
Originally Posted by JR97
(Post 7182495)
Today was my first commute on the new World DBX. It was great. Especially coming from commuting for the last 2 years on a Schwinn 32 lb. full suspension big knobbed tire mountain bike.
While, I do miss the low gearing on the hill climbs, I don' t miss fighting the road with those fat knobbed tires. |
That Schwinn looks great. Perfect commuter.
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Originally Posted by JeffS
(Post 7174603)
You mean that bike shops that don't carry commuter bikes, almost never have any bikes in my size, and are often staffed by people who know less about bikes that I do? My local Trek store does actually have a Madone in my size - the first road bike I've EVER seen in my size locally.
Those are the shops I should be relying on for a good buying experience? Unfortunately, we don't all get to live in a Bicycle Mecca. Don't take this as a defense of Performance, I don't shop there either. I would though if they were the only source of a bike I wanted. A few years ago, my wife and I strongly considered moving to your area. I bet there's some lovely riding; we drove some really nice back roads... |
Originally Posted by Gary in VA
(Post 7183129)
I'm finishing up my first week of commuting with my World DBX. Nothing but praises for the bike. I'm going to try out a couple different handlebars (WTB Dirtdrops and Nitto Moustashe) this weekend to see how they would feel.
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Originally Posted by ok_commuter
(Post 7210703)
I would have expected some pretty good LBS in Raleigh/Durham/RTP. Not good there?
A few years ago, my wife and I strongly considered moving to your area. I bet there's some lovely riding; we drove some really nice back roads... In the whole scheme of things, we probably have some decent shops - just not the "ideal" that I would like to see. Of course, this is a drivers town with no real downtown. My ideal shop probably couldn't stay in business here - at least not in Raleigh. I think something might have a chance of making it in Durham. The roadies around here have their favorites that they seem fairly happy with. Aside from the sizing issues I mentioned, my main problem is that the shops are very spread out. I drive very little now and try to avoid window shopping to minimize my purchases. As a result, I just don't get in most of the shops that often. |
I don't get the wheel specs:
Rims: Jalco DRX2000, Semi-aero, Double Wall, 32H; Hubs: Shimano Alivio MC12/MC18 w/ QR, 36H 32 or 36? Which is it? |
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