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Old 07-30-08, 02:12 PM
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Myopic SUV drivel

In short, I am ticked that discourse resorts to the failed cliche of the unholy SUV.

I am a bike commuter. It allows me to be a one car family. A family of 4 humans and one nearly adult English Mastiff. That's over 200 lbs of dawg for those that don't know. We looked for a vehicle to accommodate the 5 of us and guess what? There's pretty much only one thing that fits. So we have the dreaded SUV.

SUVs are not the problem in any equation other than getting stiffed from the car manufacturers who make these things crappy for profits sake. And yes, there are those people who buy them because they don't know any better. But then there are my neighbors who have 6 cars! 6!

In the equation of economy, usefulness and environmental good, being a one car SUV family and commuting by bike makes more sense. It would be great to elevate the discourse above this petty, myopic SUV bashing.
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Old 07-30-08, 02:26 PM
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+1 When you have one car and a family it must be able to haul everyone plus their stuff. SUV's serve a purpose in this world.
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+1 When you have one car and a family it must be able to haul everyone plus their stuff. Minivans serve a purpose in this world.
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Those too! but why don't they get knocked on?
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I don't have a problem with 1 person commuting in a SUV. I just don't want to hear those people complaining about the cost of gas. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THEN!!! I started riding my bicycle at $3/gallon and my car gets 29/35.

If the minivan is for a family then it is good because more people in 1 vehicle is good.
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Old 07-30-08, 02:38 PM
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Those too! but why don't they get knocked on?
I'm with you. I've often referred to SUVs as "man-ivans" because they seem to be the more masculine version of the minivan - but from my perspective, they're the same.

Also, I don't see the point of bashing someone because of their transportation choices. I may not agree with them, but I'll bet it fits their lifestyle/requirements/budget/needs/whatever.

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Old 07-30-08, 02:44 PM
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I don't have a problem with 1 person commuting in a SUV. I just don't want to hear those people complaining about the cost of gas. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THEN!!! I started riding my bicycle at $3/gallon and my car gets 29/35.

If the minivan is for a family then it is good because more people in 1 vehicle is good.
They aren't allowed to complain about gas prices because they drive an SUV? Non sequitur. Gas prices affect everything from food prices to your gas tank and apparently in my area at least, utility costs as well.
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Also, I don't see the point of bashing someone because of their transportation choices. I may not agree with them, but I'll bet it fits their lifestyle/requirements/budget/needs/whatever.
Absolutely. In our case, the SUV was not only the right fit for our needs, but because of fortunate situations we got a deal too good to pass on. Now, if someone will help me trade it in for an Audi wagon that fits my dawg I'll be happy to give it a try.
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Old 07-30-08, 02:52 PM
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Back in the day alot folks had station wagons. Today, it's either minivans or SUVs for alot of folks if they want to be able to cart eveyone around. But you have to wonder about young, single people (seems to be mostly women) that are driving Ford Expeditions or Lincoln Navigators.
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Back in the day alot folks had station wagons. Today, it's either minivans or SUVs for alot of folks if they want to be able to cart eveyone around. But you have to wonder about young, single people (seems to be mostly women) that are driving Ford Expeditions or Lincoln Navigators.
Yes, but that's a marketing problem or just plain old gullible consumer problem. The industry has succeeded in convincing large numbers of people that these vehicles are safer (not true) and that they have to have one to be safe on the road.

On my bike, all cars are equally dangerous. As are most drivers...
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It's also interesting that alot of SUV owners will tell you one of the selling points for them was the four-wheel drive . . . but they never, ever use it. Some don't even know how to put their vehicle in four wheel.
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Back in the day alot folks had station wagons.
Of course, back then, there weren't too many 200lb 13 year olds.
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They aren't allowed to complain about gas prices because they drive an SUV?
They made their choice to use more gas. People don't like it pointed out that they have choices for some reason. Choices have consequences. In any case, I was only writing about single commuters in the gas guzzlers.

Most families could do better with a Honda Accord than a SUV or a minivan. Unless you are killing the environment with a family of more than 2.1 children.
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The SUV has become the symbol of the overindulgent American, signifying a lifestyle as much as a driving preference. Symbols are easy to attack, whether warranted or not, so we'll just have to live with it for a while. On the other hand, I know plenty of people who bought an SUV as status symbol, and I've got no pity for their current whines.

I've been driving SUV's for nearly 30 years for occupational reasons, (Jeep Grand Wagoneer was first, if you remember that monster), and I'd give anything to be able to drive a little VW. The SUV truly s*cks, but does sometimes serve a purpose.
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Originally Posted by DAkilles View Post
There's pretty much only one thing that fits. So we have the dreaded SUV.
Myopic drivel indeed.
When a was young, our family of 5 went on two week vacations in a VW Beetle. No one ever complained about space issues.
GM's marketing dept. has convinced you that you need an SUV. But no, you don't need one.

You made a choice, so live with it. I made a choice to live car-free. If people think that is weird, I can live with that

Sorry, no sympathy here
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They made their choice to use more gas. People don't like it pointed out that they have choices for some reason. Choices have consequences. In any case, I was only writing about single commuters in the gas guzzlers.

Most families could do better with a Honda Accord than a SUV or a minivan. Unless you are killing the environment with a family of more than 2.1 children.
Perhaps, but this is part of what ticks me off. Gas prices are a more complex problem than people in "gas guzzlers" - to which I will add performance enhanced cars, not just SUVs. Ever checked the mileage on a large liter, huge horsepower sportifo?

Yes, yes, regarding choices. We should all choose to live single, child-free lives in a plastic bubble floating off the coast of outer Hebrides.
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Myopic drivel indeed.
When a was young, our family of 5 went on two week vacations in a VW Beetle. No one ever complained about space issues.
GM's marketing dept. has convinced you that you need an SUV. But no, you don't need one.

Sorry, no sympathy here
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Wouldn't have been a family of 2 parents and 3 small kids? Marketing didn't convince me, my Mastiff's inability to fit inside any other vehicle did.

You edited your post after I replied. Did you miss my original line stating that I also commute by bike? I am fine with my choice. It works. What doesn't work are narrow sighted cranks who get off on harassing people who own an SUV.
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Myopic drivel indeed.
When a was young, our family of 5 went on two week vacations in a VW Beetle.
So how was that gig with Ringling Bros.?

sorry, couldn't resist
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I'm with you. I've often referred to SUVs as "man-ivans" because they seem to be the more masculine version of the minivan - but from my perspective, they're the same.
A coworker traded in his F150 when his second kid came. They replaced it in the family w/ a minivan. He drove it for a week then made his wife take it and he took her SUV.
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So what do families of 5/6 do in other countries where the SUV is not as prevalent?

There was life before the SUV.

+1 to you for being a one vehicle family as even that is hard these days
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Myopic drivel indeed.
When a was young, our family of 5 went on two week vacations in a VW Beetle. No one ever complained about space issues.
GM's marketing dept. has convinced you that you need an SUV. But no, you don't need one
My parents drove a toyota celica on our camping trips, w/ a canoe on top full of our stuff, and a u-haul behind it with the rest of our stuff. Hard to imagine towing anything w/ <8 cylinders!
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Right now our family fits nicely in a pontiac grand prix. My wife wants a dog, i told her no. Not that i don't like or even want a dog, but i know it won't fit in the car (pretty much nothing else will at this point, we're maxed out).
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Bike commuting lets me afford the horrible gas mileage that my windstar gets.
When you fill up once every month to month and a half it is easier to digest. Owning a useful vehicle that you use every so often makes more sense to me than purchasing a useless itty bitty car.
However, what makes even more sense is something like a honda fit.
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Our family car is a mazda station wagon...room for 5 adults (one who is 6'10"), a dog and lots of other junk. also have rocket box for when it starts to get crowded.
*disclosure--I also have a truck for hauling crap around like lumber and building materials 3 days a month

dont feel bad, a car is a vary personal choice If I could afford it, I would have about 10 cars and 15 bikes
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So what do families of 5/6 do in other countries where the SUV is not as prevalent?

There was life before the SUV.

+1 to you for being a one vehicle family as even that is hard these days
Well, what countries? I can't think of one...

Also, I imagine living anywhere else might come with effective public transportation, planned urban development, etc.
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