As you should. But just because something doesn't work for you, doesn't mean that Grant's or anyone else's opinion is "just a bunch of yammering". :thumb:

Google! :thumb:
I get mine at LL Bean.
Seersucker Shirt

Oh yeah, one more thing... If I'm riding my Felt F65, that automatically makes me want to wear my lycra.
But then again, if I was driving an F1 Indy car I'd be wearing a full race suit and helmet. lol
I don't commute on that bike.

Retro grouchiness for the sake or retro grouchiness. Dang racers get off my lawn! :50:

As far as I consider such pointless banter is a bunch of yammering on and on.

:roflmao2: "damn young'ns"!


hey, wait a minute... i'm only 34. :innocent:

lol

33 here

Grant Peterson opinions certainly aren't "retro-gouchiness for the sake of retro-gouchiness". He's offering an alternative approach to cycling that works for a lot of people who aren't into getting kitted up in full lycra just to ride their bike to work or to the store, etc. If riding in lycra is your thing that's fine but the Grant Peterson/Rivendell approach is anything but a bunch in meaningless yammering.

Good golly. I have offended the grant lovers. My apologies. I must now clean my house for penance.

I know a good few bike messengers in Copenhagen, I'm told (although I guess I'll be corrected) the fastest bike messengers in the World. They wear bibs etc., but shorts etc. on top, as they need the pockets, and they're harder wearing for the occasional brush with the tarmac.

Well, I guess I'll weigh in...

My commute is around 21 miles, I just ordered a Rivendell Bleriot so I've been reading a LOT of Riv stuff lately. I like wearing my lycra stuff, although I have been just doing the normal shorts/shirt thing when going to the bookstore/Trader Joes.

Now, I will admit I like my lycra collection...no, I LOVE my lycra collection! I love all the colors and designs, especially the Salsa jerseys! I also have my USCG kit to show my pride. Also, I will admit I like the feeling of inclusion or "being in the clique" when wearing my cycling specific clothes, it does make me feel kind of special and who doesn't want to have that feeling?

In another country, on a full tour going through small towns (dueling banjos...), or riding over to church I may have a different opinion.

Anyway, that's my .02

Chris in San Diego (looking for a Slipstream, not Garmin, jersey on sale!)

I actually don't have any problem with the designs and stuff. I like the wild primal wear jerseys. It's the material that I think is not as nice/effective compared to the micro-weight merino wool. I also have a heavier wool retro jersey from Earth Wind & Rider. Oh and I like to wear the baggy shorts for the pockets.
https://www.ewnr.com/site/dept_page.asp?id=27

^^^ nice stuff, just a little pricey. I'm cheap! I usually buy most of my stuff from ebay, at least my jerseys.

No need to apologize. I'm not offended in the least. I just wanted to weigh in with my $0.02. For many years I rode almost eclusively in full lycra kit because I kind of felt like I had to in order to be considered a real cyclist. In the early ninties I owned a Bridgestone RB-2 and was a "Bridgestone Owner's Bunch" (BOB) member, so I was on the original, introductory Rivendell mailing list. When I first looked at their bikes and their approach (I think it was in 1996) it looked really "dorky" to me and I thought Grant had gone off the deep end. Over the years it gradually became more and more appealling and I started inching more and more in that direction. Now I have two Rivs and I never wear lycra. I have no problems with folks who prefer to wear lycra when they ride and I'll even concede that it has it advantages. I just wanted to point out that the Rivendell approach isn't just a bunch of hooey.

Yeah, that's why I got my SmartWool Rambush Jersey on ebay for $42 new instead of $85. :thumb:

In that case you can clean my house for penance. :p

I'm a bit of a stubborn jacka## who has done his own thing most of my life. Doing something because it is expected of me is just odd. It does happen but not with cycling. At least that is what I believe. ;)

Perhaps you are a stubborn jacka## because that's what's expected of you. ;)

It's in my job description.
ETL designer \ coder \ general all around jacka##.

Like Grant?

*shoots himself*

Interesting...in Houston, they all have on MTB or 3/4 baggie shorts and jerseys.

It's interesting to me that his point is not to wear cycling specific clothing, but then he provides a link to cycling specific clothing, but calls it normal clothing.

"If you have any doubts that you can ride in normal clothing"

Most of my stuff is groundeffect MTB http://www.groundeffect.co.nz/ stuff, I don't have the bod for skin-tight lycra stuff, and I don't think its appropaite to be going around with your penis practically on display in the office either. But everything I wear is cycling-clothing, I wear bibs but underneath a pair of MTB shorts. On short runs, (tough as the nearest supermarket/pub is about 5 miles away), I may wear cotton but not often, its usually GE as it can be worn out and about, away from the bikes.

I started off in jeans or normal shorts, and cotton t-shirts on my 7 mile one way commute back in the UK but quickly found that they were pretty horrible particularly if it was raining. My cotton t-shirts would be destroyed by deoderant+sweat stains. I hated feeling sweaty or wet in weird smelling jeans from the rain. Sitting in college in damp jeans that feel like you have a band of razor blades locked around the scrotum - no thanks you!

I soon moved away from normal clothing. Cycling clothing is made for a reason and that it is better than normal clothes for cycling.

Clipless - my cycling life improved immensely when I switched to clipless.

Girls go around with their boobs on display all the time. And sometimes camel toe.
It's only fair. :D

(p.s. - I aint complaining!)

Well duh! Cotton is the suck.

wool. WOOL. WOOOOLLLL!!!! :D

http://www.gan.ca/images/hooks/sheep3.jpg

Hmmm

Apparently you are well endowed. No one can see my junk under the chamois that just happens to come up over the twig and berries. :innocent: