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Old 08-12-08, 05:15 PM
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Schwalbe Marathons, vs. Marathon Supremes

I am in the market for new tires, notably Schwalbe, with flat resistance. 700 X 40C.

The only thing Schwalbe has on their website are the new Supremes.

I can buy either, but there is a huge difference in price. $45 (aramid bead) vs., $28 for the older Marathons (wire bead).

Does anyone know what the difference is, or, can you point me to a link for a tech description of the older Marathons.

If the newer one is really that much improved, I'll pop for them.
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Were you looking here? This shows the difference between the two: https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/road_tires

This dealer has a lot of info and I've heard good things about them: https://www.peterwhitecycles.com/schwalbe.asp

Schwalbe's explanation of the Supreme: https://www.schwalbetires.com/marathon_supreme_home
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Here's my link https://www.niagaracycle.com/advanced...ords=700+x+40c

You can see quite a diff in price, but I can't find if there is a difference besides the bead....
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Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
I am in the market for new tires, notably Schwalbe, with flat resistance. 700 X 40C.

The only thing Schwalbe has on their website are the new Supremes.

I can buy either, but there is a huge difference in price. $45 (aramid bead) vs., $28 for the older Marathons (wire bead).

Does anyone know what the difference is, or, can you point me to a link for a tech description of the older Marathons.

If the newer one is really that much improved, I'll pop for them.
A simple search on BF would have garnered lots of results. Among them this one:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.p...1&postcount=15

Don't people know anymore how to use a search function? Never heard of Google?
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Hi,

I thought I'd chime in here since it's what I do.

The tires are very different in many ways. Without going through the littany of differences, I thought that I'd focus on the characteristics that are most notable to the daily commuter.

The Schwalbe Marathon is a good all-around tire. It's relatively inexpensive, lasts longer than you'd expect most bicycle tires to last, and provides an adequate level of puncture protection (Kevlar Guard). The compound is built to last, but not necessarily to evoke the kind of confidence on a twisty descent that you might get out of a good race tire. It is our best selling tire.

The Marathon Supremes on the other hand are built with performance and light weight as the key characteristics. They are made with the same rubber compound as our racing tires and thus it is unlikely that one would get the same mileage out of a pair of Supremes that they'll get out of the garden variety Marathons, but you will feel supremely confident on your next twisty descent; they are very sticky tires. The puncture protection system on the Marathon Supremes is our most technologically advanced (HD Ceramic Guard). We have a nice demonstration of this in a video form on our website. (I've pasted in the link below).

If you have any specific questions, we're happy to help.

Thanks for reading.

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https://www.ultremo.com/en/shell.html

(Click on Technology, and then Video)

Duppie, just wanted to comment that I hit the link to your previous post and read through.... pretty spot on. Thanks.

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I have marathon supremes on my new commuter (26x2.0) and they are awesome. I've ridden them a few hundred miles and they are fast and so supple. No flats yet.
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Not what you were asking but if your not a weight weiner I would go with the marathon PLUS tires.

I have 4700 flat free miles so far.

The tread still looks decent and I'll be surprised if they dont go at least 6k.

I've completely forgotten about flats. Life is so great.
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Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post


If the newer one is really that much improved, I'll pop for them.
They are worth it. Excellent puncture protection and still roll easy. A little less protection, but more speed would be the big apples thinskin.
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Originally Posted by duppie View Post
A simple search on BF would have garnered lots of results. Among them this one:
https://www.bikeforums.net/showpost.p...1&postcount=15

Don't people know anymore how to use a search function? Never heard of Google?
The BF search feature is famously wonky, and the gear changes too quickly to track. I wouldn't bother with it either.
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Guy, marketingspeak always gives me a headache, and my commute doesn't have toothpicks on it. Can you say definitively which is more flat-resistant, the Plus or the Supreme? Thanks.
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Originally Posted by gosmsgo View Post
Not what you were asking but if your not a weight weiner I would go with the marathon PLUS tires.

I have 4700 flat free miles so far.

The tread still looks decent and I'll be surprised if they dont go at least 6k.

I've completely forgotten about flats. Life is so great.
I've used regular Schwalbe Marathons (not Plus) 47 x622 for commuting the past 11½ years in both Germany and the U.S, approx. 5000 miles/yr. I have not had a roadside flat at all, and only about 5 or 6 slow leakers total flat out at my job site or at home during that time/mileage period.

I get at least 6000 miles on the rear and get 15,000 miles on tires mounted on the front. I normally move the rear to the front when the tread is about halfway worn. Started with HS 270 and now use the newer HS 308 and when necessary will replace with whatever version of standard Marathon Schwalbe is selling.
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I have both types of tires and have had a total of 1 flat with each pair.

I am a big fan of the Marathon Supremes. They are much lighter, faster and funner to ride. Niagara Cycles seems to have a sale on 700 X 35C. To buy again, I would go with the narrower size because I prefer 32C over wider tires for my riding.
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I think the Schwalbe rep bumped a six month old thread?
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Originally Posted by degnaw View Post
I think the Schwalbe rep bumped a six month old thread?
Perhaps he used the search function (so often smirkily recommended by would-be BF etiquette enforcers) and found the thread and decided to answer the question rather than start a new thread. Do you have an objection to someone providing an answer to another poster's question? I am happy that the company rep is actively trying to assist the commuter population by answering questions about his product.

I prefer a sales rep who is up front about his job position when giving advice, unlike the numerous LBS associated owners and employees who constantly bad mouth on BF the product(s) sold by their competitors.
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Do you have an objection to someone providing an answer to another poster's question?
No, not really. But do you seriously think the OP is still in the market for new tires?
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Originally Posted by degnaw View Post
No, not really. But do you seriously think the OP is still in the market for new tires?
Maybe ready for their next set.
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Originally Posted by degnaw View Post
No, not really. But do you seriously think the OP is still in the market for new tires?
The beauty of BF is that it answers not only the OP's question, but also the questions of others who search on the same topic as the OP.
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yep...I'm in thr market fore some new tires, and I find the info in this resurrected thread helpful.
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I have about 3K miles on my 35mm Supremes, and I can recommend them unreservedly--and I plan on happily forking over the extra dough for another set when necessary (they look to have at least another 3K in them).

On pavement (wet or dry) they are fabulous. You can spin the rear wheel pretty easily in mud, and on ice you're better off walking, but they grip like mad on wet pavement, handle beautifully, and in my 35mm case, spin nice and give a pretty cushy ride to boot. I've had no reason to stop because of them.

By reputation, Pluses do all of the above somewhat less well, but are even more flat-proof. Can't say from experience, though.

And no, I don't work for Schwalbe or any online retailers--just a very satisfied user.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
Perhaps he used the search function (so often smirkily recommended by would-be BF etiquette enforcers) and found the thread and decided to answer the question rather than start a new thread. Do you have an objection to someone providing an answer to another poster's question? I am happy that the company rep is actively trying to assist the commuter population by answering questions about his product.

I prefer a sales rep who is up front about his job position when giving advice, unlike the numerous LBS associated owners and employees who constantly bad mouth on BF the product(s) sold by their competitors.
Good answer.
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I'm happy enough with my regular Marathons that I probably won't try either Supreme or Plus models when it comes time to replace.
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gb from Schwalbe here again-

Did I bump an old thread? Well, I guess the answer is yes. I used the aforementioned "search" function and was looking for inquiries or comments that related to Schwalbe Tires. No surprise, I found a few. Some I merely read, some seemed worth a reply. Nothing sinister was intended. Yes, my job is to sell bicycle tires (among other duties). I'm not on commission, nor do I get a year end bonus based on the volume of tires we sell. I'm not here to badmouth other brands of tires, there are many fine tires on the market.

I'm relatively new here (started in December) and was partly using this as a tool to expand my understanding of the bicycle tire marketplace. I am an avid cyclist, I commute to work everyday by bike, yet to the core I am a roadie, and I don't pretend to understand the issues that other cyclists consider when buying tires.

So if the consensus is, you'd rather I just read and not comment, I'm happy to butt out. I'm also very happy to continue to provide information where I can. I'll never post without identifying who I am. If one is a skeptic or cynic, feel free to ignore anything I have to say.

And to specifically answer Noteon's question within the thread, the "Plus" will be more puncture resistant to more kinds of debris. It is heavier, and the compound not as sticky as the "Supreme" tires. That's about as concise as I can put it.

Thanks,

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+100 for the Plus.

Last week I ran over a small sliver of some kind of razor sharp metal. Managed to put a diagonal slice in my front tire as wide as my thumbnail that went down to the blue "safety layer" underneath. So far there's no evidence of a leak.
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gb from Schwalbe here again-
I'm always very pleased to see mfgr's post here.
It is nice to know they are interested in interacting with customers.
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gb from Schwalbe here again-

Did I bump an old thread? Well, I guess the answer is yes. I used the aforementioned "search" function and was looking for inquiries or comments that related to Schwalbe Tires. No surprise, I found a few. Some I merely read, some seemed worth a reply. Nothing sinister was intended. Yes, my job is to sell bicycle tires (among other duties). I'm not on commission, nor do I get a year end bonus based on the volume of tires we sell. I'm not here to badmouth other brands of tires, there are many fine tires on the market.

I'm relatively new here (started in December) and was partly using this as a tool to expand my understanding of the bicycle tire marketplace. I am an avid cyclist, I commute to work everyday by bike, yet to the core I am a roadie, and I don't pretend to understand the issues that other cyclists consider when buying tires.

So if the consensus is, you'd rather I just read and not comment, I'm happy to butt out. I'm also very happy to continue to provide information where I can. I'll never post without identifying who I am. If one is a skeptic or cynic, feel free to ignore anything I have to say.

And to specifically answer Noteon's question within the thread, the "Plus" will be more puncture resistant to more kinds of debris. It is heavier, and the compound not as sticky as the "Supreme" tires. That's about as concise as I can put it.

Thanks,

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