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Old 08-21-08, 05:28 PM
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Holy crap, that's quite a chunk of fence! If the driver is anything like those here, he'll go just as fast around the exact same curve after he gets his truck repaired.
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Quick question: I'm new to the forum. When I do my commute, I stay on the white line on the side of the road or to the right of it. Staying out of the road as much as I can has never created a problem, bad curves or not.
How far are you out in the road?
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Originally Posted by old4x4
Quick question: I'm new to the forum. When I do my commute, I stay on the white line on the side of the road or to the right of it. Staying out of the road as much as I can has never created a problem, bad curves or not.
How far are you out in the road?
Gutter is rough and often = flats. All the junk off the road will end up in it and it is much more likely to get a puncture.


On the straights I ride within 6 inches to the left of the line as long as the road surface is good and free of debris. If the edge of the road is broken up or there is a lot of debris I am as far out in the lane as I have to be to have a good clear riding surface. Wiping out in front of a car is BAD and the fastest way to do that is hit a bad spot in the pavement or run over some loose debris and have the bike go out from under you. This is totally in line with what most bike ordinance indicates to do.
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Originally Posted by Lamplight
Usually doesn't work here! This happens to me fairly often, but today three cars in a row did it, so I need to vent. When riding home my route takes me through a blind curve on a narrow, two lane road with a moderate amount of traffic. Sometimes I can time it just right so that I'm through the curve before any cars reach me, but when I can't I usually try to take the lane. With reasonable human beings this would work just fine, but of course people here are dumber than chickens. Occasionally a motorist will actually wait 4 seconds (which is all it takes, at most) and then pass me safely after the curve. But more often than not, they pass me in the middle of the blind curve completely in the oncoming traffic lane! I've seen many near misses, but today took the cake. Three geniuses in a row did this on the curve. A driver coming the other way had to lay on his brakes to keep from getting hit head on. Luckily he wasn't just a second or two sooner.

Let's think about this for a second:

1. They would only have to wait four, maybe five seconds at the most, as I'm usually going at least 20mph here.

2. The speed limit on this road is 30mph. If they were behind a car going 20mph, surely they wouldn't pass on the curve (or would they?) Of course, most of them are usually going well over 30mph...

3. To get home mere seconds sooner, they are risking my life, their own life, and the lives of anyone coming the other way. I hope it's worth it someday when they kill/injure several people, probably themselves included.

4. This curve is just a few hundred feet from an intersection, and nearly all of the cars on this road are from the larger road at the intersection. That means they've only had a few hundred feet to accelerate, yet a 20mph cyclist is still too slow for them?

Are people really this impatient? Are they willing to risk several lives just to get home literally a few seconds sooner? Or are they simply so freaking stupid that they can't comprehend any of this?

I don't usually start threads at all, and certainly not ones like this. But, if you'll excuse me, I just really needed to get this off my chest. It seems like the drivers in this town get a little worse every week, and I can only assume that before long they'll start killing each other (and maybe me) in droves as they become more and more insane.
It's not your fault.

That said, it's your responsibility to look out for these idiots.
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I have tried keeping my blinking rear light on to be more obvious to the zombies flying past me on narrow roads. This has actually made it worse - I seem to be treated more like another car and I get passed even closer. I think it sends the signal that I am "protected" like a car, or some other equally crazy idea I can't even understand. I ride about 6 inches from the white line on the right too, for self-protection. When I have to take even another foot of lane to avoid glass, cracked pavement, or a pothole I can feel the hate from cars deliberately buzzing me in "their" territory. Insane! The glazed-over pseudo-stupid ("I know 'm doing something bad, but I'm going to pretend I don't realize it...") looks on the drivers are actually the scariest part.
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Originally Posted by old4x4
Quick question: I'm new to the forum. When I do my commute, I stay on the white line on the side of the road or to the right of it. Staying out of the road as much as I can has never created a problem, bad curves or not.
How far are you out in the road?
I think most folks, including myself, tend to cruise in the right tire track if there's no oncoming traffic. It's not inconveniencing anyone, they can move over to pass, and it gets drivers in the habit of reacting to the presence of a bicycle instead of buzzing by without having to move. I think that makes them think twice when they get to a situation where there's really not room for a safe pass. Some drivers seem to think that they can always squeak by a bicyclist.

If there's a clear shoulder, I move onto that when there's traffic in both directions. If not, I keep it as close to the white line as I can and still stay on smooth, rideable pavement. On one road I have been riding recently, "rideable pavement" means taking the entire lane; it's broken up except for about the center 6 feet of pavement and I'm riding almost on the center line - cars just have to fully move over to pass, and I didn't get any heat from it - they can see that the right side of the road is horrible.

If it's a blind curve or some other no-passing zone (close to the line-of-sight cutoff, which is shorter when passing a bike than a car due to slower speeds) and there's no shoulder, rough road or the road isn't wide enough to pass, I'll move fully into the center of the lane and make them wait the 10 seconds it takes me to get over the top of the hill, around the corner, whatever. This only happens about 3 times on my 11 mile commute, the rest of the time I'm either in the shoulder or on the right side of a wide lane, so I don't feel bad at all about demanding they wait for those few seconds.
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Originally Posted by Rober
I have tried keeping my blinking rear light on to be more obvious to the zombies flying past me on narrow roads. This has actually made it worse - I seem to be treated more like another car and I get passed even closer. I think it sends the signal that I am "protected" like a car, or some other equally crazy idea I can't even understand. I ride about 6 inches from the white line on the right too, for self-protection. When I have to take even another foot of lane to avoid glass, cracked pavement, or a pothole I can feel the hate from cars deliberately buzzing me in "their" territory. Insane! The glazed-over pseudo-stupid ("I know 'm doing something bad, but I'm going to pretend I don't realize it...") looks on the drivers are actually the scariest part.
Many people here, including me, have noticed that cars tend to take their cues about how much room a bicycle needs from the positioning of the bicycle itself. If you ride 6 inches from the white line, they think it's OK to pass you 6 inches to your left. Move farther left and they'll give you more room. At least, that works for a lot of us. As always, YMMV, different areas have different drivers.

Different kinds of lighting also has different effects. I have a really good reflective vest, that chases cars farther away. Also when I'm riding in full winter mode with the HID and a xenon strobe on the back in addition to two taillight/blinkies, people move WAY the hell away from me.
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