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Old 08-13-08, 08:21 PM
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What is it with drivers? some of them actually try to hit me...

Hi, I am a road cycler in Minneapolis/St. Paul. I've had two really weird incidents lately when riding my bike. The first one, was two weeks ago, I was minding my business on my side of the road, and there weren't any cars on my side. Then, ahead of me, a car made a left turn onto the road I was on, he was going in the opposite direction as me, and was on his side of the road. Then all of a sudden, he turned diagonally so his lights were facing me directly, and accelerated. i was thinking to myself 'oh my god i am going to die', and i could not believe that a car was actually going after me head on, a lot of bikers worst nightmare. so before i knew it, the car had swerved into me, and i was up on the curb, and the driver stared out his window at me, then he sped on and went back to his side of the road. i am so pissed i could not get the license plate number or throw a heavy rock at his windshield or something. i felt like killing him. i think stuff like this happens a lot, and the drivers are trying to play a stupid joke.

okay, another thing happened to me and it was actually earlier today. everyday I do 10 laps around this lake, and i usually have no trouble with motorists. but today i noticed a car doing the laps with me, which is very odd, at first i thought he was trying to say something to me, but then i ignored it. then later the next time he passed me, he was in fact yelling F*** you the whole entire time to me. I just hate drivers like that it pisses me off. and being on a bike theres not much i can do about it. do any of you have similar experiences like this? how do you deal with it usually? especially in a situation like the first one?
 
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I'm gonna post what I posted five minutes ago when you made this thread in A&S.

Here's what you do:

1. Remove yourself from harm.

2. Call the police.

Step two is more effective if you took the plates between the event and step one. In either case, the single worst thing you can do expend energy immersing yourself further into the situation, rather than extricating yourself from it.

Other general strategies I use to avoid such situations are staying away from large or heavily trafficked roads. If you live in a bike-lane/sidewalk/MUP-friendly town, I'd suggest employing those options in place of large streets whenever possible.
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Rush Limbaugh has been rallying his legions to trample down anyone who opposes the new heir to the throne... Aka - Mcane.

Apparently, to the media riding a bike symbolizes anti-oil-dependancy, anti-war, earthy green..etc. and everything else the Republican party stands against.


Be cautious and careful until the election is over.
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As hard as it is to believe that are idiots that think this is some kinda game and cyclist are "points" .
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I never count the near misses; just the actual hits.
Yup, have been hit twice by pickups and once by a car. Each time driver got the ticket.
Have also cycled over a quarter million miles; so far I'm either good or lucky . . . or both!
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I keep a heavy chain in an easily accessible location so that, if need be, I can express my displeasure to such motorists' faces/windshields/hoods/whatever is in reach of the swinging chain
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Originally Posted by Paul Nicholas View Post
i could not believe that a car was actually going after me head on, a lot of bikers worst nightmare. so before i knew it, the car had swerved into me, and i was up on the curb, and the driver stared out his window at me, then he sped on and went back to his side of the road.
Yeah, they like to play chicken sometimes. Especially ricer kids. Been there, done that, etc
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Originally Posted by AdrianFly View Post
Rush Limbaugh has been rallying his legions to trample down anyone who opposes the new heir to the throne... Aka - Mcane.

Apparently, to the media riding a bike symbolizes anti-oil-dependancy, anti-war, earthy green..etc. and everything else the Republican party stands against.


Be cautious and careful until the election is over.
That's really quite a stretch..
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Originally Posted by Throwmeabone View Post
That's really quite a stretch..
I agree. I am a die hard conservative, republican, oil loving, bike commuter that will be voting for John McCain.
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Originally Posted by Nightshade View Post
As hard as it is to believe that are idiots that think this is some kinda game and cyclist are "points" .
Let's not forget that some people are Sociopaths and the power of a 3,000 pound vehicle allows for this tendency to emerge and barely remain in check.
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Originally Posted by AdrianFly View Post
Rush Limbaugh has been rallying his legions to trample down anyone who opposes the new heir to the throne... Aka - Mcane.

Apparently, to the media riding a bike symbolizes anti-oil-dependancy, anti-war, earthy green..etc. and everything else the Republican party stands against.


Be cautious and careful until the election is over.
I hate to break it to you most conservatives are more ecologically sensitive than the media makes them out to be. The difference is conservatives want a sensible and logical energy plan. The left is using the whole greenhouse sham to bring about world socialism. Futhermore it's the left that is more inclined to kill to achieve their political ends.. Doubt me? Ask Vince Foster..
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For some reason, people in cars become stupid jerks and a-holes when they are driving on the road and see a cyclist or pedestrian on the side of the road. Most of them are probably morons who get a kick out of bullying people who can;t do anything about it.

My house is next to a major road where the sides are very narrow so you really have to squeeze in to avoid being in the danger zone. I often walk up and down the road to go to 7/11 or buy something and every other week some idiots decide to yell something at me or out right throw stuff out of their window. It is mainly younger people around 20 or so who are driving with their friends and decide to pull some stupid prank. I have had sodas, a muffing, and thrash thrown at me in the past three months. I often have my earphones on and don't see it coming. None of them have hit me, but it is very agravating, so I know what you feel.

Is it not bad enough that I am waking along a road in the hot sun, some jackass decides to f*%# my day even more? What I do from now on is carry some rocks(pebbles) with me at everytime. The least I can do is teach the idiots a lesson. If you throw the rock fast enough, you should be able to hit the car. Of course, you don't want to put yourself in a vulnerable situation. These acts are just bullying so it is hard to get the police involved.
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"He tried to hit me."

My son said the same thing, verbatim, awhile back. My answer: He didn't try to hit you. If he were trying to hit you, he'd have got you. He was trying to scare you off the road and off your bike. By ignoring him and showing no reaction you take the wind out of his sails for that incident. By continuing to ride you show noncompliance to his opinion of having to share the road.

Jerks like this are just out to prove that they are jerks by resorting to chump change terrorist tactics to try to get their way like a spoiled child.
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Originally Posted by CommuterRun View Post
"He tried to hit me."

My son said the same thing, verbatim, awhile back. My answer: He didn't try to hit you. If he were trying to hit you, he'd have got you. He was trying to scare you off the road and off your bike. By ignoring him and showing no reaction you take the wind out of his sails for that incident. By continuing to ride you show noncompliance to his opinion of having to share the road.
I agree with your analysis of the motive, but not with your conclusion about what to do about it. The driver in this situation is trying to scare you off the road. He expects you to move when he accelerates in your direction. If you do the unexpected, i.e., fail to move, he may well hit you even though he wasn't "trying" to.

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Who died maintaining his right of way
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I'm sorry you have had such bad experiences. So far, my rides have been uneventful (thank God). I have a friend who rides horseback and has had to get a gun permit (took lots of classes, has a license to carry, is a crack shot). She was starting to be harassed on trail rides. After she started carrying her gun, no more problems. People in general, whether on foot or ATV, were the problem. Yes, Arizona is a conservative state, but we have lots of people who bike and ride horses/mules who have to be careful too.

I agree that there are some sociopaths who have no inkling of the consequences of their idiotic actions.
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One word, CAMERA. Helmet cameras are cheap and there is simply no excuse not to have one. I used an ATC-2K videoing stupid cagers playing games with me. They all ended up with reckless driven tickets at a minimum and higher insurance payments as an ever lasting reminder of just how stupid they were acting. I live in Alabama which has red light, stop sign, and speed cameras. Consequently they passed laws allowing video evidence to be used to mail traffic violations to the owner of the vehicle involved in a violation of traffic laws. This includes video from any camera. After a couple of months of video activism nearly everyone in the community came to the realization that one or more cyclist were capturing there exploits. The video evidence was being turned in and complaints filed causing exceptionally heavy fines to arrive in there mail box. The few that chose to try and fight in court were amazed and aghast that they had been captured on video and at how bad there conduct appeared as video has a way of amplifying the bad conduct, especially when it's viewed several times and in slow motion. In one court case in which I had provided video evidence the Judge had to call a recess after viewing the video so she could regain her composure before continuing. It's very rare for cyclists in my town to be accosted now due to others using cameras as well as myself. The ATC-2K costs a little over $100 and is worth every penny.
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If that happens to you more than once, it's time to buy a helmet cam and submit video evidence to the cops every time it happens. People make mistakes, and that's fine, but what you describe is assault with a deadly weapon, no doubt. If you had good evidence (good ID on car) the guy should be at least looking at some serious fines and points if not jail time.

I have the previous version of the ATC posted above. It's OK and for $100 I don't think you can do any better. I simply do not encounter problem drivers where I live (I bought the camera after getting spooked by posts here, which as far as I can tell don't really apply where I live) so I don't wear a camera anymore, but if I were to start again, I'd go ahead and get a better camera.
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Ignoring is the best solution. If you react in anyway either defensively, cowardly, or aggressively, they win. Protect yourself, but don't let someone else's sh*t behavior alter yours or they win. (assuming you bike safely as possible. Else change your bike behavior to be safer.)
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Ignoring is the best solution. If you react in anyway either defensively, cowardly, or aggressively, they win. Protect yourself, but don't let someone else's sh*t behavior alter yours or they win. (assuming you bike safely as possible. Else change your bike behavior to be safer.)
I can't really agree. This is exactly equivalent to swinging a fist at someone's face, or pointing a gun at them, to see if they flinch. The "people" here are microcephalic morons, and while I agree that you should try to hold your ground, if it happens at all regularly, the best course of action is to gather evidence and get the cops to have a talk with them.

Odds are these morons are driving dad's car, and I'm sure dad wouldn't appreciate the cops coming by at dinnertime.
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Originally Posted by Sirrus Rider View Post
Let's not forget that some people are Sociopaths and the power of a 3,000 pound vehicle allows for this tendency to emerge and barely remain in check.
That's been the problem with road rage - being in a steel cage gives the driver a sense of being anonymous. It would be much like if everyone at the grocery store walked around with paper sacks on their heads - I am sure they would behave much differently.
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I can't really agree. This is exactly equivalent to swinging a fist at someone's face, or pointing a gun at them, to see if they flinch. The "people" here are microcephalic morons, and while I agree that you should try to hold your ground, if it happens at all regularly, the best course of action is to gather evidence and get the cops to have a talk with them.

Odds are these morons are driving dad's car, and I'm sure dad wouldn't appreciate the cops coming by at dinnertime.
Totally agree. Just don't let it scare you out of the saddle and your place on the road. Confrontation does nothing positive. Retaliation is the worst thing you can do. Serenity now while taking phone cam pics and calling the cops if it happens regularly or severely.
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I hate to break it to you most conservatives are more ecologically sensitive than the media makes them out to be. The difference is conservatives want a sensible and logical energy plan. The left is using the whole greenhouse sham to bring about world socialism. Futhermore it's the left that is more inclined to kill to achieve their political ends.. Doubt me? Ask Vince Foster..
RAAAAH THE LEFT SUCKS THE RIGHT SUCKS AND YOU SUCK. I AM AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY DISCRIMINATOR. EVERYONE'S WRONG! I'M RIGHT.

Did I cover all the basis? The Political figureheads of any party, most times, do not represent the individual in their party, and simply play to the extremes to get attention, and show contrast to their opponent doing the same thing. At the end of the day it's a crap shoot. The "figure heads" can be media outlets, politicians, or even soapbox preachers.

You vote for what you think makes more sense based on the facts that have been presented to you.

I will say I've seen many SUV's with Republican bumper stickers than I've seen with Democratic ones. Which only fuels the fire that republicans tend to be less green-conscious. Not to mention Bush repealing the rules for emissions output of oil factories after the Katrina mess. But anyway.

There was an interesting quote from a movie I saw once:

"How come whenever you say civilization all I hear is machine gun fire?"
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Originally Posted by n4zou View Post
The ATC-2K costs a little over $100 and is worth every penny.
https://www.atc2k.com/
Enter ATC-2K at www.youtube.com so you can see video captured with this little camera.
Several months ago A TV station purchased some of my captured video. I used the funds to upgraded to a much better camera.
https://www.vio-pov.com/
There is now the ATC-3K that can use a 4GB SD card. It costs a little more ($150US), but is basically the same specs.
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I know JR27 already posted this in his 'the fight is on in salt lake' thread, but I thought I'd drop the linkie anyway https://www.sltrib.com/ci_10115861?source=rv
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Paul,

As much as those types of things really suck.
Just think how awful it would be to have to go through life those two A-holes!

Jeff, still fat
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