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Old 08-26-08, 04:12 PM
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Noobtastic Pedal Question

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Thanks everyone, as you can see I'm new. I just bought my first road bike after years of riding around campus and neighborhoods on smaller, cheapest thing I can find bikes. I recently moved so that I need to commute to school. Right now I am about 15 miles from campus. I bought the bike so that I would be able to drive/bike my way there, hoping to gradually decrease the needed amount of drive. Onto my question.

The bike I bought, is quite nice (i think) but has clipless pedals on it. I have absolutely no experience with these strange contraptions. I have never even worn a bike shoe. However, as it stands I have tiny clipless pedals and no shoes! This has made things quite difficult and I can only imagine what might happen if I tried to go substantial distances like this. So I was wondering, for someone who is planning on doing about 10 miles round trip to start and then increasing per day, what would be a good idea to do. My options as far as I know, are buy pedals with a platform, or platform on one side and clips on the other. Or buy some road shoes, and join the clipless party. I would like the cheapest/most future proof solution. I don't necessarily mind carting an extra pair of shoes with me if need be. Also, I have looked at shoes with cleat threading that look fairly normal, which seems like an advantage but then I think that theres probably a reason road shoes look the way they do.

Anyway thanks in advance for your thoughts, I hope that this is in the right section.
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Old 08-26-08, 04:26 PM
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I like clipless, but you can certainly ride 15 miles each way without them. People talk about the efficiency bonus from clipless, but for me the biggest advantage is that they keep your feet from slipping off the pedals. If you want to go cheap, just buy some platform pedals (or better yet take them off an old cheapest thing you can find bike) and ride that way until you decide you want clipless.
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Old 08-26-08, 04:29 PM
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Your cheapest option would be to purchase platform pedals.
I am a big fan of clipless and think you should give it a try if you feel comfortable doing so.
First you need to determine what clipless pedals you have and then go from there.
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Datajunkie,

I feel fairly comfortable going clipless, and while I DID say I am looking for my cheapest option and I certainly don;t want to spend a fortune, I am willing to spend a bit more than just the pedals. I have a friend who wont shut up about them, and me personally, I am intrigued in general.

Right now I have Wellgo WPD-800 https://www.bikepartsplace.com/produc...l-set-wpd-800/ clipless pedals. I am not even entirely sure what choice I have in shoes to begin with.
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Old 08-26-08, 04:49 PM
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Whale,

With those pedals you can use SPD compatible mountain bike (mtb) shoes. The good thing about mtb shoes is that they have a recessed area where the cleat goes and you can walk around pretty well with them.
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Old 08-26-08, 04:51 PM
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I've never tried clipless, but for commuting, I'd much rather have toeclips.

They prevent your feet from slipping off, allow you to maintain a good cadence, and give you a good in-between in efficiency compared to platforms and clipless (in fact, for commuting purposes, I've heard that the difference is minimal).

You get the added benefit of not having to carry an extra pair of shoes around, and being able to wear sandals when it rains, not to mention the much much cheaper costs.
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If you want to go clipless, a regular SPD style pedal like what you've referenced is fine. You can get touring shoes with recessed cleats that allow you to walk around in a normal fashion (no duck walk.) I actually ride with something like this every day and just wear the shoes at work. They look good enough for my work and while not the most comfortable shoes I own, are fine for sitting at a desk most of the day.

If you do go platform, I'd look at medal platforms with some grip. These will help keep your feet in place and are superior to the rubber kind unless you want to bike barefoot.

You can also get the Shimano PD-M324 or Nashbar Rodeo pedals which are SPD on one side and medal platform on the other. This is what I use on my travel bike for the most flexibility. Only problem is I can't use my touring shoes (The recess cleat doesn't work on the Rodeo pedal.) I have to use road shoes with those.
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Old 08-26-08, 05:34 PM
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I like clipless myself - but just because I've been riding strapped in to one degree or another since ~1982.

A lot of folks swear by flats though. A lot of folks tell you plain flat pedals are better for a ride of your distance, long climbs, etc. I won't contradict them just that I'm so used to being strapped in that when I get out of the pedals my legs flail all over if I'm not clipped in. I think it's a personal issue for me, however.

I have a pair of Shimano shoes that I originally bought for my wife to do spinning classes in. She stopped using them and we wear the same size so I took them over. IIRC they were the cheapest shoes Performance had at the time. They have a plain black sole and look basically (though not quite) like a regular sneaker (sorta bikey if you look REALLY close) but they have ones that look exactly like regular sneakers and Keene even makes an SPD water shoe. I was down enjoying the festivities surrounding the DNC today and probaly walked 1.5 miles on pavement no problem.

I use them with Crank Brothers Egg Beaters.

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Originally Posted by WhaleMenace View Post
Datajunkie,

I feel fairly comfortable going clipless, and while I DID say I am looking for my cheapest option and I certainly don;t want to spend a fortune, I am willing to spend a bit more than just the pedals. I have a friend who wont shut up about them, and me personally, I am intrigued in general.

Right now I have Wellgo WPD-800 https://www.bikepartsplace.com/produc...l-set-wpd-800/ clipless pedals. I am not even entirely sure what choice I have in shoes to begin with.

You could try pricepoint.

https://www.pricepoint.com/thumb/1-Cl...ntain-True.htm

Their sette shoes seem to get all right reviews.

Performance also has reasonable prices on mtb shoes.

https://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_id=2120
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Old 08-26-08, 05:54 PM
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Once you get used to clipless you'll never go back. There is some efficiency increase, but like others have posted, the biggest benefit is that it keeps your feet from slipping off. You can buy a used pair of spd compatible shoes off ebay real cheap. It sounds gross, but I have a few pairs of used shoes, and as long as they are in good condition who cares? Besides, usually it's being sold by a guy who bought the wrong size online and wore them once or twice. Probably less feet in them than a shoe store. I've found perfectly fine shoes for $10 or less. Look for Mountain or Touring/Casual and note that sometimes Touring/Casual shoes have the cleat holes under the shoe tread so you have to dig it out.
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Old 08-26-08, 06:02 PM
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I think once you are used to clipless pedals, you will never go back I tried going back to platforms recently, and it's just not as efficient or as comfortable. The Wellgo pedals you have are the equivalent of the Shimano M520, which is a very popular entry level mtb clipless pedal.

I know some people like clips and straps, but I consider them death traps. YMMV

You can wear any MTB or Casual clipless shoe with those Wellgos. I would not buy shoes off the internet if you haven't worn them first. My suggestion would be to go to your lbs and try on a few pairs to see what brands you like. I like Specialized shoes. Others like Shimano, Sidi, etc...Just like tennis shoes, they are all quite different. (A Nike fits very different from a Reebok fits very different from an Asics, etc.)
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*wonders where the anti clipless zealots are*

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Having just converted from toe clips, I'll add my vote for clipless. Perfomance had a sale on Egg Beaters and Shimano MTB shoes, which came to $99 before a 10% discount. It didn't take too much thought. After 15 min practicing on grass, I felt confident to get out on the road. That was over the wknd, after 2 days with them I will not be going back to other pedals on the Kona.

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Nice thing about spd clipless, there are many different shoes to choose from. One caveat: the more flex the shoe sole has, the less comfortable they are over longer distances. A very rigid sole spreads the force out over most of your foot, flexible ones tend to concentrate the force on the ball of your foot creating a "hot spot." I don't get hot spots under 20 miles so flexible shoes are good for most commuters but not good for most centuries. I even have spd sandals.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
I like clipless, but you can certainly ride 15 miles each way without them. People talk about the efficiency bonus from clipless, but for me the biggest advantage is that they keep your feet from slipping off the pedals. If you want to go cheap, just buy some platform pedals (or better yet take them off an old cheapest thing you can find bike) and ride that way until you decide you want clipless.
+1. You can buy a beater at a garage sale for $5, rip the platforms off, and toss the rest of the bike. Do try to find metal rather than plastic ones. If you were near Toronto, I'd give you a pair of platforms for free - I have more lying around than I know what to do with.

Whenever you're ready to experiment with clipless, you can buy shoes and try it out.
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I only ride a little less than half your distance and even so I'm a fervant clipless fan even over that distance. I've got a couple of bikes I also use without clipless and while I like them for what they are (MTB's with pinned platforms so I can play a bit on the commute) they are not as "efficient" as the bikes with clipless. Compared to the clipless where my foot position is set by the clipping in the platforms require a LOT more fussing around to get comfy positioning and then it's time to lift my foot off again. Non pinned platform pedals would get away from that issue but then my feet would tend to slide around and I'd STILL be constantly altering them. So clipless it is for me.....

For commuting I'd have to say ditch the one sided pedals and do NOT replace them with the one side clipless and one side platform. Get the MTB double sided clipless in some format.

Why? Glad you asked... In commuting you're in and out a lot thanks to cross streets and lights. The double sided MTB clipless means it's a full on no brainer for clipping back in sinde you never need to worry about being upside down and flipping to get in. The MTB double sided style lets you just jam your foot down and the pedal flips if it's edge on and you have an open trap waiting for the cleat. Makes for real easy clip ins.

Riding clipless DOES mean you need a change of shoes at the other end. But over a 15 mile commute you'll want to change clothes at the end anyhow. So I'm guessing you have a locker or other area to ditch the riding gear in while at class.
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Wow, I can't believe how helpful everyone has been. I think that I am going to go ahead and try clipless. There are a few shops around here that I can check out many different types of shoes. I think I will do this tomorrow actually!

For the record, I can't believe the feedback I have received, I don't think I've ever had a post on any forum bring this much help. Arigato gozaimasu.
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... riding around campus ... I recently moved so that I need to commute to school. Right now I am about 15 miles from campus. I bought the bike so that I would be able to drive/bike my way there, hoping to gradually decrease the needed amount of drive. Onto my question.

The bike I bought, is quite nice (i think) but has clipless pedals on it. I have absolutely no experience with these strange contraptions. I have never even worn a bike shoe. However, as it stands I have tiny clipless pedals and no shoes! This has made things quite difficult and I can only imagine what might happen if I tried to go substantial distances like this. So I was wondering, for someone who is planning on doing about 10 miles round trip to start and then increasing per day, what would be a good idea to do. My options as far as I know, are buy pedals with a platform, or platform on one side and clips on the other. Or buy some road shoes, and join the clipless party. I would like the cheapest/most future proof solution. I don't necessarily mind carting an extra pair of shoes with me if need be. Also, I have looked at shoes with cleat threading that look fairly normal, which seems like an advantage but then I think that theres probably a reason road shoes look the way they do.

Anyway thanks in advance for your thoughts, I hope that this is in the right section.
You are exactly who Performance Bike designed their "Campus Pedals" for.-https://www.perfromancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?SKU=2275&item=00-1473&slitrk=search&slisearch=true

34.95 and they are spd clipless on one side and a nice pedal for a sneaker or regular shoe on the other. I use them on my commuter and they're great.

Sometimes I ride with a cycling shoe and sometimes I don't.
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Just be sure that the bike shops sells you a pair of shoes that are going to fit with a commuter-style use rather than a roadie-style use. You want to be able to walk around and not screw up floorboards and not feel that you are walking on ice skates.
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Add me as another clipless fan -- and my commute's only about 10 miles and very stop and start.
However, if you've got the least concern about it, you could probably get a bike shop to straight-out swap you a pair of basic platforms for the pedals you've got now. So, just go with whatever feels comfortable -- don't feel you need to use the clipless.
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I would certainly go with clipless shoes for that distance.

You don't necessarily need to bring another pair of shoes with you if you purchase the right type of SPD compatible shoes.

Here's some example's:

Specialized Taho

I personally have used these (the previous incarnation), and can vouch that they work well as a bike shoe, and are a reasonable 'walk about' shoe. About $70

Lake MX101.
I've never tried these, but the look a bit the other way from the Taho, possibly a more comfortable walking shoe but not as good a bike shoe. About $80

Shimano SH-MT31. Similar to the Lake shoes, but cheaper @ $65

Any of these I think would be something you could wear/walk around on all day, and not worry about it. And I think these are 'future proof' as well, any would be a decent fall/winter shoe (maybe with a shoe cover).
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Wow, I can't believe how helpful everyone has been. I think that I am going to go ahead and try clipless. There are a few shops around here that I can check out many different types of shoes. I think I will do this tomorrow actually!

For the record, I can't believe the feedback I have received, I don't think I've ever had a post on any forum bring this much help. Arigato gozaimasu.
Doo itashima****e.

I've been using SPDs with MTB/Touring shoes for years. It is the way to go. My winter bike has one side platform, one side SPDs and I virtually never use the platforms. Clipless are loved for a good reason.

Edit: Obviously you can't say "you're welcome" in Japanese on bikeforums.

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For DJ: Clipless sux


I am planning on trying out clipless.
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