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dschwarz 09-18-08 09:33 PM

(NY) State Senator Jeff Klein curses the wrong cyclist
 
See the article in Gothamist.

itsthewoo 09-18-08 09:49 PM

Sweet site pimp bro

genec 09-19-08 07:16 AM

if the cyclist had been taking the lane in that slow traffic, this would not have happened.

neilfein 09-19-08 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by genec (Post 7501311)
if the cyclist had been taking the lane in that slow traffic, this would not have happened.

Yeah, that's helpful, Criticize the cyclist who almost got killed. :rolleyes:

RazorWind 09-19-08 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by itsthewoo (Post 7499966)
Sweet site pimp bro

:lol: Genmayism.

For what it's worth, that actually was an interesting read.

genec 09-19-08 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by neilfein (Post 7501403)
Yeah, that's helpful, Criticize the cyclist who almost got killed. :rolleyes:

There are certain circumstances where the cyclist can do plenty to avoid being killed.

Taking the lane in slower traffic is one.

Not running red lights is another.

Not riding in door zones is another.

Keeping left on approach and through intersections is another.

NOT doing any of the above is the cyclists' choice, and thus will tend to put the cyclist in harms way.

I am not "blaming" the cyclist; just pointing out that he put himself in that position... clearly indicated by this comment from the cyclist:

Traffic was moving rather slowly and you were heading in the downtown direction, as was I. You were in the far left lane and I was riding on the curbside of that lane, near your rear passenger door. Suddenly, you began to veer your Mercedes to the left, potentially crushing me between your car and the cars parked on the side of the road.
Now let me go on and say that indeed the driver was at fault, for failing to check mirrors before moving and then having a crappy attitude, and valuing his auto paint above that of a human life. :rolleyes:

But cyclists should really work to avoid putting themselves into harms way... especially when, no matter who is right or wrong, the cyclist loses.

I think that this issue of shared roads and the convoluted "transportation policy" in the US really has to be resolved... unfortunately, the majority is just as likely to vote bikes off the road.

To further comment, I borrow from a great cycling cartoon...

http://www.yehudamoon.com/images/strips/2008-09-19.gif

SouthFLpix 09-19-08 08:44 AM

I had no idea that a U.S. Senator would ever speak using such language. Tisk, tisk.....

units 09-19-08 08:52 AM

uh, this is manhattan they're talking about. the far left lane is not the 'slow lane,' as he said the far left was a curbside lane, which implies that it was on a one-way street. people will be making abrupt stops from the left lane as well, so if any lane is the 'fast lane', it's the middle lane[s]. also, if he made a left onto the street or was turning left in the near future, this was a much more prudent move than crossing multiple lanes of traffic to ride on the right for a few blocks, then cross all those lanes again to make a left.

GV27 09-19-08 08:52 AM

He's not a US senator.

SouthFLpix 09-19-08 08:56 AM


Originally Posted by GV27 (Post 7501886)
He's not a US senator.

Oh, quite right....it would have been more accurate of me to have said "a Senator in the United States Congress", since we now have Senators that do not represent specific states. Still....I'm quite shocked at that language.

Hot Potato 09-19-08 08:58 AM

Uh, following a car closely near the passenger rear door?

Without being judgemental, I would only point out that many vehicles have BLIND SPOTS from the operator's point of view , spots where it is harder to see an object in. While I do not relieve any operator of a vehicle the responsibility to make sure no one is in such a blind spot, I would caution any person, on foot, on bike, or on a motorized vehicle, to learn where these spots are and NEVER DWELL IN THEM any longer than is necessary. Sure you won't be at fault, but you are more likely to be involved should you dwell there.

Febs 09-19-08 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by SouthFLpix (Post 7501910)
Oh, quite right....it would have been more accurate of me to have said "a Senator in the United States Congress", since we now have Senators that do not represent specific states. Still....I'm quite shocked at that language.

No, he is not a member of the United States Senate. He is a member of the New York State Senate.

BBnet3000 09-19-08 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by RazorWind (Post 7501473)
:lol: Genmayism.

For what it's worth, that actually was an interesting read.

i guess i dont read the general forum enough at genmay anymore to get it, lol

Ka_Jun 09-19-08 10:23 AM

Nice.

nashcommguy 09-19-08 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by dschwarz (Post 7499872)
See the article in Gothamist.

No, he cursed the 'right' cyclist. The 'wrong' cyclist would've given him the ***-whipping he so richly deserved right then and there...or at least a couple of good, solid shots. He's fortunate to have cursed a guy who was in complete control of himself and will use this opportunity to 'force' the Senator to engage him as an equal. The Senator needs to recognize if he doesn't accomodate this cyclist his political career is functionally over. The Senator, also needs to know he's in the 'servant' class not the 'ruling' class. Never underestimate the power of a 'righteous' man. Would encourage all who post to BF to write to the Senator expressing your opinion of the exchange. Nothing like 'public' scorn to shame a 'public' official into appropriate behavior. :thumb:

Someone posted awhile back: "The moral of the story. Keep your mouth shut if you're not prepared to fight." Obviously, the Senator wasn't prepared and the cyclist was and continues to be.

genec 09-19-08 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by nashcommguy (Post 7502557)
no, he cursed the 'right' cyclist. The 'wrong' cyclist would've given him the ***-whipping he so richly deserved right then and there...or at least a couple of good, solid shots. He's fortunate to have cursed a guy who was in complete control of himself and will use this opportunity to 'force' the senator to engage him as an equal. The senator needs to recognize if he doesn't accomodate this cyclist his political career is functionally over. The senator, also needs to know he's in the 'servant' class not the 'ruling' class. Never underestimate the power of a 'righteous' man. Would encourage all who post to bf to write to the senator expressing your opinion of the exchange. Nothing like 'public' scorn to shame a 'public' official into appropriate behavior. :thumb:

Someone posted awhile back: "the moral of the story. Keep your mouth shut if you're not prepared to fight." obviously, the senator wasn't prepared and the cyclist was and continues to be.

+1000.

HardyWeinberg 09-19-08 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by SouthFLpix (Post 7501910)
Oh, quite right....it would have been more accurate of me to have said "a Senator in the United States Congress", since we now have Senators that do not represent specific states. Still....I'm quite shocked at that language.

Now I really don't know what you're talking about.

stevo9er 09-19-08 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg (Post 7503175)
Now I really don't know what you're talking about.

He thought the guy was a regular Senator hailing from New York, such as Schumer or Clinton.... Is that so hard to grasp!?

genec 09-19-08 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Potato (Post 7501924)
Uh, following a car closely near the passenger rear door?

Without being judgemental, I would only point out that many vehicles have BLIND SPOTS from the operator's point of view , spots where it is harder to see an object in. While I do not relieve any operator of a vehicle the responsibility to make sure no one is in such a blind spot, I would caution any person, on foot, on bike, or on a motorized vehicle, to learn where these spots are and NEVER DWELL IN THEM any longer than is necessary. Sure you won't be at fault, but you are more likely to be involved should you dwell there.

Very much agreed.

lil brown bat 09-19-08 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by stevo9er (Post 7503507)
He thought the guy was a regular Senator hailing from New York, such as Schumer or Clinton.... Is that so hard to grasp!?

Given that it's incorrect, yes. There's no such thing as a "regular senator" -- in the United States, a senator is either a member of the United States Senate or a member of a state senate -- and no US senators who do not represent a US state (the "shadow senators" for DC are not actually members of congress).

Mr. Underbridge 09-19-08 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by lil brown bat (Post 7503687)
Given that it's incorrect, yes. There's no such thing as a "regular senator" -- in the United States, a senator is either a member of the United States Senate or a member of a state senate -- and no US senators who do not represent a US state (the "shadow senators" for DC are not actually members of congress).

I'm praying that the guy you responded to was being sarcastic, playing off of the occasions in which NY has elected 'representatives' who have spent about as much time in NY as someone with a layover at LaGuardia.

Otherwise, God help our educational system.

stevo9er 09-19-08 01:35 PM

Why bother, haha.

bakaster 09-19-08 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Potato (Post 7501924)
Uh, following a car closely near the passenger rear door?

Without being judgemental, I would only point out that many vehicles have BLIND SPOTS from the operator's point of view , spots where it is harder to see an object in. While I do not relieve any operator of a vehicle the responsibility to make sure no one is in such a blind spot, I would caution any person, on foot, on bike, or on a motorized vehicle, to learn where these spots are and NEVER DWELL IN THEM any longer than is necessary. Sure you won't be at fault, but you are more likely to be involved should you dwell there.

more than once, i have been no where near a blind spot and people have almost killed me by not seeing me. this includes on my bike, and motorcycle, with lights on and what not.

JeffS 09-19-08 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by RazorWind (Post 7501473)
:lol: Genmayism.

For what it's worth, that actually was an interesting read.

It's still the equivalent of spamming.

huhenio 09-19-08 02:38 PM

He is another tard in a mercedes ... what surprise.

Get a BMW, senator ... your car sucks


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