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Old 09-23-08, 06:15 PM
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DiNotte 800L... Good lord...

Just got the press release. Details:
http://store.dinottelighting.com/sha...notte&All=True

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I just received my 600L today, now this?

The 800L is listed at 600 lumens... just like the 600L. So other than the wider beam what's the real difference?
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Old 09-23-08, 06:36 PM
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It's 800 Lumens. They just messed up the online store. Here's the press release:

DiNotte Lighting USA
1 Merrill Industrial Drive, Suite 14
Hampton, NH 03842
http://www.dinottelighting.com
603 929 0123
sales@dinottelighting.com

Dear Customers and Friends

We always try to make sure you hear about new products from us before hearing it elsewhere. In this spirit, we are pleased to annouce we are introducing the 800L.

The 800L will be our newest of lights designed for handlebar mounting only. The 800L will be the brightest light in our lineup providing a wider beam and similar intensity to the popular 600L product. Customers who want a bright helmet mounted product should consider the 400L.

The 800L mounts and features will be identical to the 800L EXCEPT the run time will be 2.5 hours on high (versus 3.5 hours for the 600L.) Light output is approximately 800 lumens.

The 800L can be seen by visiting our website www.dinottelighting.com, and clicking on our online store. (it's so new we haven't updated the website yet.)

The 800L is ready to ship and product will be available on a first come, first served basis. The 800L can be purchased with two of our four cell batteries and charger (439.00USD) or with battery and charger deleted (339.00 USD)

The 800L body is slightly larger than the 600L with a diameter of approximately 55mm at the widest point and weighing in at 215 grams, the 800L provides a tremendous amount of light output in a small package.

Please visit our website www.dinottelighting.com and select our online store or visit our store directly by visiting http://store.dinottelighting.com

We thank all of you for your commitment to our products.

DiNotte Lighting USA
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Looks sweet. For those on a budget, a pair of P7s at 500 lumens each will give 1000 lumens for $80.
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Dinotte is pretty late to the 4 LED game, Hope, Lupine, and DIY people have already achieve this a while ago.

With $400, one can get 4 of those P7 flashlights for 2000 lumens and still pocket more than half of what it cost for a single 800L.
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I haven't been entirely happy with the beam quality from my 4-LED Lupine Wilma. I switched to that from a L&M ARC.

I never had them both side by side, so I can't say exactly what the issue is. My guess is that the L&M had a longer throw. It's great for offroad, but on the street the vast majority of the light is wasted.
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Old 09-23-08, 07:33 PM
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Some of those little flashlites are nice.

Someone really,really on a budget can have 700 lumens for $50 with an overdriven 20w halogen bulb.For another $70,you can power it with a top of the line,6ah Li battery and smart charger.But you have to make it.

$430 light? How much does the bike cost that you mount it on?Even if there was no such thing as the sun,I wouldn't pay that for a light.I don't care if it was hand woven from pigmy butt hair.

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Old 09-23-08, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Booger1 View Post
Someone really,really on a budget can have 700 lumens for $50 with an overdriven 20w halogen bulb.
Yeah, I'm going to be experimenting with LEDs over the next few weeks, but I don't expect them to really make me give up my halogen. Right now I'm using an HID, but it's dying and is actually less bright than the halogen, though it draws a bit less power.
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For $120 you can have 1200 lumens,high/low beam,6ah Li battery,5 hours on high-3 1/2 on low-2 hours with both.Housings are alum tubing with brass freeze plug ends :

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I have people hiding behind their cars and running to the sidewalk with both lights on.Then they all point and snicker:It's a bicycle!

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It was more a statement of "Good Lord" at the price.

That freeze plug setup is pimp.
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Old 09-23-08, 09:45 PM
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Denottes are very nice lights but they have to be making a bundle of money on those things.Their just raking people over the coals.
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Old 09-23-08, 09:46 PM
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I found a simple little 3 watt LED flash light at Lowes that runs off 2 "C-cell" batteries for about a week and does a fantastic job of lighting the road. This thing can put a visible spot on the road, 30 ft in front of my bike, in broad daylight. Had to make my own mount though. Can use rechargable batteries as well. This thing has a solid prism reflector and is built like a tank; but not too heavy.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?actio...03W&lpage=none
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I am all for saving money and DIY projects, but lights from dinotte and NR seem a decent value for what they provide. Turn-key lighting systems with reliable service records, a warranty, leading technology (if not cutting edge), and ease of use. They serve a purpose and help people who would rather not build a unit on their own or don't have the time. 800 lummens for $429 is still a pretty good price considering REI has the Trinew (489 lummens) for $399 + tax. ~300 more lummens for only $30 more.

As for people who want to strap on 4 flashlights onto the front of their bike, consider that people who buy a Dinotte or NR only have to plug in 1 battery to recharge, press 1 button to get light, don't have to find space to mount 4 lights, and don't have to bother aiming 4 lights. That has to be worth something right???
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As for people who want to strap on 4 flashlights onto the front of their bike, consider that people who buy a Dinotte or NR only have to plug in 1 battery to recharge, press 1 button to get light, don't have to find space to mount 4 lights, and don't have to bother aiming 4 lights.
And don't look like they strapped 4 flashlights to the front of a bike.

That's beyond Fred and into Crazy Uncle Wilbur territory.
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Originally Posted by Crank57 View Post
I found a simple little 3 watt LED flash light at Lowes that runs off 2 "C-cell" batteries for about a week and does a fantastic job of lighting the road. This thing can put a visible spot on the road, 30 ft in front of my bike, in broad daylight. Had to make my own mount though. Can use rechargable batteries as well. This thing has a solid prism reflector and is built like a tank; but not too heavy.
You think that's bright? The amount of light may be adequate, but it is puny in comparison with 600 lumens.

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As for people who want to strap on 4 flashlights onto the front of their bike, consider that people who buy a Dinotte or NR only have to plug in 1 battery to recharge, press 1 button to get light, don't have to find space to mount 4 lights, and don't have to bother aiming 4 lights. That has to be worth something right???
One flashlight. One. Not 4. 1 P7 Led equipped flashlight will almost outshine an 800L, all for 1/8 of what one single 800L cost.
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I haven't been entirely happy with the beam quality from my 4-LED Lupine Wilma. I switched to that from a L&M ARC.

I never had them both side by side, so I can't say exactly what the issue is. My guess is that the L&M had a longer throw. It's great for offroad, but on the street the vast majority of the light is wasted.

That's my opinion too: what do we need a wider beam for, the 600L's beam already is too much flood and not enough throw. They went the wrong direction insofar as road/street use goes. My current setup is a 600L for foreground light, with a Dereelight DBS V2 as a high-beam light when I want to see further ahead (e.g. 30mph+ descents, 18-20mph cruise). I also have a 250-lumen Olight M20 R2 as a helmet light, which can out-throw the 600L quite easily, but the DBS is the champ. The DBS will annihilate any P7 flashlight in a throw showdown, too, even a top-notch Wolf Eyes or LumaPower. So will the Olight to a lesser extent, or my MRV Sidekick. Beam pattern is of primary importance, not blanket lumen output.

As for the P7-flashlight crowd... the 600L will run 3.5 hours at full output on one charge, and still has reserve capacity beyond that as well. You'd be stopping and fumbling through battery swaps three times if you wanted full output from your 1 x 18650 flashlight for that long. Given that my commute might require doing that battery swap with soggy winter gloves in a rainstorm (or snowstorm) on the side of an unlighted highway, I'd really rather not, even if it's cheaper up front. Thanks anyway If it works for you, then great, but remember that not everyone gets where they're going in 30-45 minutes. And we might want to get back, too!


if you want to stop here and change batteries in your 1-hour wonder-light, feel free. I'm going to keep on going.

800 lummens for $429 is still a pretty good price considering REI has the Trinew (489 lummens) for $399 + tax. ~300 more lummens for only $30 more.
Not to mention, the DiNotte comes with two battery packs. But unless they introduce a long-throw model, I'm going to have to go some other direction to meet my on-road lighting demands. Maybe the Light & Motion Seca 700 models will have the beam pattern I'm after.

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If it works for you, then great, but remember that not everyone gets where they're going in 30-45 minutes. And we might want to get back, too!
Precisely why I switched to a dynohub. I like to ride a lot at night, and my Supernova E3 lights up the road like a motorcycle headlight; and it won't stop shining until I pass out. (Even then, it will shine for 4 more minutes until the standlight runs out.)
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I'm waiting for the 1000L with the new guaranteed retina frying, paint melting beam. I'll pass this round.
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I'm sorry that just made me laugh.


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And don't look like they strapped 4 flashlights to the front of a bike.

That's beyond Fred and into Crazy Uncle Wilbur territory.
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If I converted candlepower to lumens correctly, I could get just under 160,000 lumens with $40. No wires to run to a battery pack, quick charging, and doubles as a self-defense weapon. I'm sure I could come up with a simple mounting solution.

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Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
Precisely why I switched to a dynohub. I like to ride a lot at night, and my Supernova E3 lights up the road like a motorcycle headlight; and it won't stop shining until I pass out. (Even then, it will shine for 4 more minutes until the standlight runs out.)
Dammit! Made me spit coffee on the keyboard!

I can see you in an unconscious stupor beside the road with your light still shining...
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If I converted candlepower to lumens correctly, I could get just under 160,000 lumens with $40. No wires to run to a battery pack, quick charging, and doubles as a self-defense weapon. I'm sure I could come up with a simple mounting solution.


That you would even consider that means you have absolutely no place in this thread.
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Sorry, I'll add a "har har!" and a smiley next time. Feel free to report my posts to a mod and have them deleted.
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Items that I have been reading regarding the P7
1) The lumens are overstated
2) Durability is suspect

However, every product has someone complaining about something.

I would rather spend my $$ on a decent light made for cycling. I have had enough with cheap alternatives and DIY stuff. My DIY skills stink.
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Hmm. Any upgrade path for new owners of the 600L? I just bought my 600L recently and was not told of the upcoming 800L even though I did ask about possible new/more powerful lights in the near future. Not even a hint of "You may like to wait for a little while..." Now I feel kinda cheated... :-(
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