Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Commuting
Reload this Page >

bailout bill includes bike benefits

Notices
Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

bailout bill includes bike benefits

Old 10-02-08, 10:03 AM
  #1  
dscheidt
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked 18 Times in 14 Posts
bailout bill includes bike benefits

The version of the bank bailout bill passed by the senate adds a provision that allows employers to provide up to $20/month in pre-tax money for bike commuting expenses. I believe that you can't get the public transportation benefits at the same time, but I'm not sure.
dscheidt is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 10:13 AM
  #2  
deez
peaced out
 
deez's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
How does that work? Do you mean like you can use it as a deduction in your taxes or that you can just tell your employer "hey I commute by bike, how about tossing me 20 bux a month"
deez is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 10:13 AM
  #3  
rdubbz
Beefcake the Mighty
 
rdubbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Scumdogia
Posts: 591
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
1 SEC. 211. TRANSPORTATION FRINGE BENEFIT TO BICYCLE
2 COMMUTERS.
3 (a) IN GENERAL.—Paragraph (1) of section 132(f)
4 is amended by adding at the end the following:
5 ‘‘(D) Any qualified bicycle commuting re6
imbursement.’’.
7 (b) LIMITATION ON EXCLUSION.—Paragraph (2) of
8 section 132(f) is amended by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end
9 of subparagraph (A), by striking the period at the end
10 of subparagraph (B) and inserting ‘‘, and’’, and by adding
11 at the end the following new subparagraph:
12 ‘‘(C) the applicable annual limitation in
13 the case of any qualified bicycle commuting re14
imbursement.’’.
15 (c) DEFINITIONS.—Paragraph (5) of section 132(f)
16 is amended by adding at the end the following:
17 ‘‘(F) DEFINITIONS RELATED TO BICYCLE
18 COMMUTING REIMBURSEMENT.—
19 ‘‘(i) QUALIFIED BICYCLE COMMUTING
20 REIMBURSEMENT.—The term ‘qualified bi21
cycle commuting reimbursement’ means,
22 with respect to any calendar year, any em23
ployer reimbursement during the 15-month
24 period beginning with the first day of such
25 calendar year for reasonable expenses in26
curred by the employee during such cal206
O:\AYO\AYO08C32.xml S.L.C.
1 endar year for the purchase of a bicycle
2 and bicycle improvements, repair, and stor3
age, if such bicycle is regularly used for
4 travel between the employee’s residence
5 and place of employment.
6 ‘‘(ii) APPLICABLE ANNUAL LIMITA7
TION.—The term ‘applicable annual limita8
tion’ means, with respect to any employee
9 for any calendar year, the product of $20
10 multiplied by the number of qualified bicy11
cle commuting months during such year.
12 ‘‘(iii) QUALIFIED BICYCLE COM13
MUTING MONTH.—The term ‘qualified bi14
cycle commuting month’ means, with re15
spect to any employee, any month during
16 which such employee—
17 ‘‘(I) regularly uses the bicycle for
18 a substantial portion of the travel be19
tween the employee’s residence and
20 place of employment, and
21 ‘‘(II) does not receive any benefit
22 described in subparagraph (A), (B),
23 or (C) of paragraph (1).’’.
24 (d) CONSTRUCTIVE RECEIPT OF BENEFIT.—Para25
graph (4) of section 132(f) is amended by inserting
207
O:\AYO\AYO08C32.xml S.L.C.
1 ‘‘(other than a qualified bicycle commuting reimburse2
ment)’’ after ‘‘qualified transportation fringe’’.
3 (e) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made by
4 this section shall apply to taxable years beginning after
5 December 31, 2008.
rdubbz is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 10:21 AM
  #4  
deez
peaced out
 
deez's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 669
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
So I read that as I can claim 240 bux a year in deductions but not on my next tax return since the provision kicks in on December 31, 2008.

Can I write off the price of a bike or two also since I use them to commute?
deez is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 10:40 AM
  #5  
HardyWeinberg
GATC
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: south Puget Sound
Posts: 8,728
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 463 Post(s)
Liked 49 Times in 27 Posts
Would love to see an actual link to the text of the bill showing this.
HardyWeinberg is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 10:43 AM
  #6  
rdubbz
Beefcake the Mighty
 
rdubbz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Scumdogia
Posts: 591
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
Would love to see an actual link to the text of the bill showing this.
Link
rdubbz is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 10:52 AM
  #7  
HardyWeinberg
GATC
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: south Puget Sound
Posts: 8,728
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 463 Post(s)
Liked 49 Times in 27 Posts
Originally Posted by rdubbz View Post
Woah! Here's the real link:

https://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...0g22x:e256472:
HardyWeinberg is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 11:00 AM
  #8  
HardyWeinberg
GATC
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: south Puget Sound
Posts: 8,728
Mentioned: 29 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 463 Post(s)
Liked 49 Times in 27 Posts
I'm still confused. The link I used above (which is only temporary; this is apparently the good one) refers to section 132(f) which I also can't find.

Whatever, it'll either be there or it won't.
HardyWeinberg is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 11:21 AM
  #9  
ItsJustMe
Señior Member
 
ItsJustMe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Michigan
Posts: 13,749

Bikes: Windsor Fens, Giant Seek 0 (2014, Alfine 8 + discs)

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 446 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 7 Posts
This is the same thing that came up for a vote before. The benefit can only be claimed through your employer. This means that your employer has to do a bunch of paperwork and has to administer the benefit.

There's hardly a chance in hell most of us will get this benefit even if it passes.

I'm pissed that they can't pass even emergency legislation without dumping a truckload of stuff onto it to get Senator Smith From Pawtucket to vote for it. They see a "must pass" thing like this coming through, and every senator with a pet project tapes it onto the thing as it passes by.
__________________
Work: the 8 hours that separates bike rides.
ItsJustMe is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 12:34 PM
  #10  
dscheidt
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 32 Post(s)
Liked 18 Times in 14 Posts
Originally Posted by deez View Post
So I read that as I can claim 240 bux a year in deductions but not on my next tax return since the provision kicks in on December 31, 2008.

Can I write off the price of a bike or two also since I use them to commute?
No. The provision allows your employer to reimburse you for bike commuting expenses, up to $20 a month, in a manner that the benefit is tax free (both to you and the employer).

Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
I'm still confused. The link I used above (which is only temporary; this is apparently the good one) refers to section 132(f) which I also can't find.

Whatever, it'll either be there or it won't.
Section 132(f) is the section of the tax code that deals with transportation fringe benefits. Currently, it allows for reimbursement for transit passes, certain van pooling expenses, and certain parking for car poolers.

Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
This is the same thing that came up for a vote before. The benefit can only be claimed through your employer. This means that your employer has to do a bunch of paperwork and has to administer the benefit.

There's hardly a chance in hell most of us will get this benefit even if it passes.
Most places that offer section 132(f) benefits (and lots of employers in bigger cities do) do so through a third-party benefit company. I expect that most of those will change their plans to allow for the new category of expenses, and that most employers will go along with that.
dscheidt is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 12:36 PM
  #11  
bergerandfries
That gives him a hobby
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Big D
Posts: 226

Bikes: 1992 Raliegh Heat and 2008 Bianchi Volpe

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by xbmxer
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/news/newsDetail/1878.html
Thanks xbmxer, that clarifies it, and what a backhanded "benefit". No thanks....
bergerandfries is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 12:47 PM
  #12  
HiYoSilver
Rides again
 
HiYoSilver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: SW. Sacramento Region, aka, down river
Posts: 3,282

Bikes: Giant OCR T, Trek SC

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Since the link keeps on begin rest
SEC. 211. TRANSPORTATION FRINGE BENEFIT TO BICYCLE COMMUTERS.

(a) In General- Paragraph (1) of section 132(f) is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(D) Any qualified bicycle commuting reimbursement.'.

(b) Limitation on Exclusion- Paragraph (2) of section 132(f) is amended by striking `and' at the end of subparagraph (A), by striking the period at the end of subparagraph (B) and inserting `, and', and by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:

`(C) the applicable annual limitation in the case of any qualified bicycle commuting reimbursement.'.

(c) Definitions- Paragraph (5) of section 132(f) is amended by adding at the end the following:

`(F) DEFINITIONS RELATED TO BICYCLE COMMUTING REIMBURSEMENT-

`(i) QUALIFIED BICYCLE COMMUTING REIMBURSEMENT- The term `qualified bicycle commuting reimbursement' means, with respect to any calendar year, any employer reimbursement during the 15-month period beginning with the first day of such calendar year for reasonable expenses incurred by the employee during such calendar year for the purchase of a bicycle and bicycle improvements, repair, and storage, if such bicycle is regularly used for travel between the employee's residence and place of employment.

`(ii) APPLICABLE ANNUAL LIMITATION- The term `applicable annual limitation' means, with respect to any employee for any calendar year, the product of $20 multiplied by the number of qualified bicycle commuting months during such year.

`(iii) QUALIFIED BICYCLE COMMUTING MONTH- The term `qualified bicycle commuting month' means, with respect to any employee, any month during which such employee--

`(I) regularly uses the bicycle for a substantial portion of the travel between the employee's residence and place of employment, and

`(II) does not receive any benefit described in subparagraph (A), (B), or (C) of paragraph (1).'.

(d) Constructive Receipt of Benefit- Paragraph (4) of section 132(f) is amended by inserting `(other than a qualified bicycle commuting reimbursement)' after `qualified transportation fringe'.

(e) Effective Date- The amendments made by this section shall apply to taxable years beginning after December 31, 2008.

Definitely designed by warm weather proponent. I agree it's unlikely we'll see any benefit. The business accounting alone is more than the benefit.

A simple, $1.00 a day commuting as tax credit to individuals would solve the problem much cheaper. All they need to do is require riders keep a log of trips, like salesman have to: date, mileage, etc.
HiYoSilver is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 12:52 PM
  #13  
BBnet3000
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 169

Bikes: Raleigh Mojave 2.0, Dahon Speed D7

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
I'm pissed that they can't pass even emergency legislation without dumping a truckload of stuff onto it to get Senator Smith From Pawtucket to vote for it. They see a "must pass" thing like this coming through, and every senator with a pet project tapes it onto the thing as it passes by.
yeah this is true.
BBnet3000 is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 12:54 PM
  #14  
bikinpolitico
Bicycle Utopian
 
bikinpolitico's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 787

Bikes: Bianchi Campione d'Italia, Softride Qualifier, Ritchey Breakaway Cyclocross

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
They ought to just let us do it as a standard deduction like they do with teachers who spend personal money on classroom items. If you get audited, you have to show proof, but forget making employers set up programs like this. For a $240 deduction, it ain't worth it.
bikinpolitico is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 01:36 PM
  #15  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,291

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 491 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2924 Post(s)
Liked 2,828 Times in 1,136 Posts
My employer offers $30 per month for transit passes. I expect they'd be willing to do $20 per month for bicycling if the government was going to give it back to them.
Andy_K is online now  
Old 10-02-08, 03:25 PM
  #16  
Kenny0
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Austin
Posts: 18
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
$240 might be enough to pay for a replacement tube a year from now. Whoop-de-doo!! way to buy a vote. These people disgust me.
Kenny0 is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 04:01 PM
  #17  
Booger1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Gaseous Cloud around Uranus
Posts: 3,741
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 36 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 8 Times in 4 Posts
There going to give us all a new Rivendales? Crap...they can put my $20 towards the national debt instead of pissing it away.

Last edited by Booger1; 10-02-08 at 04:05 PM.
Booger1 is offline  
Old 10-02-08, 05:52 PM
  #18  
Andy_K 
Senior Member
 
Andy_K's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,291

Bikes: Yes

Mentioned: 491 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2924 Post(s)
Liked 2,828 Times in 1,136 Posts
Right now, Earl Blumenauer, whose vote this particular piece of pork is supposed to garner, says he still isn't going to vote for it.
Andy_K is online now  
Old 10-02-08, 07:12 PM
  #19  
CB HI
Cycle Year Round
 
CB HI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 13,644
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1316 Post(s)
Liked 92 Times in 59 Posts
Is $20 a month really going to make a difference towards getting people to cycle commute?
CB HI is offline  
Old 10-03-08, 11:22 AM
  #20  
AaronAnderson
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 535
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
Is $20 a month really going to make a difference towards getting people to cycle commute?
That's not why it's in there. It's there so us, who already commute, will say "hey, sweet deal! I'm going to support voting YES to this bill"
AaronAnderson is offline  
Old 10-03-08, 02:34 PM
  #21  
DiabloScott
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 9,772

Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3831 Post(s)
Liked 2,310 Times in 1,249 Posts
Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
My employer offers $30 per month for transit passes. I expect they'd be willing to do $20 per month for bicycling if the government was going to give it back to them.
That's exactly the kind of employer who will do this for bike commuters. The tax credit is for the business to reimburse employees who use public transit (currently) and includes bike commuters (in the future as part of this bill). If the business isn't currently reimbursing public transit users it won't start reimbursing bike riders because of this bill. But they could use the credit to pay for bike parking lockers or similar improvements (might require some semi-tricky book-keeping to turn it into an employee expense).


The employer tax break is laid out in Sec. 211, “Transportation fringe benefit to bicycle commuters,” which is under the Transportation and Domestic Fuel Security Provision section in H.R. 1424. The $20 a month tax relief per bicycle commuting employee is to cover the cost of any employer reimbursement for reasonable expenses incurred by the employee “for the purchase of a bicycle and bicycle improvements, repair, and storage, if such bicycle is regularly used for travel between the employee’s residence and place of employment.”
DiabloScott is offline  
Old 10-03-08, 02:52 PM
  #22  
HandsomeRyan
Pants are for suckaz
 
HandsomeRyan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Mt. Airy, MD
Posts: 2,578

Bikes: Hardtail MTB, Fixed gear, and Commuter bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
If you don't play you can't win. I don't currently commute by bicycle but I emailed my HR department asking them if we could instate a commuter reimbursement program based on this new legislation. It is not real exact about how frequently I'd have to ride in to qualify, but if I could get my employer and ultimately Uncle Sam to pay for tubes, chain lube, and the occasional tire I'd be willing to ride in at least a few days a month.

I'm working on a "form letter" that others could fill out and send to their HR departments if they are interested in implementing this new legislation at their company.
HandsomeRyan is offline  
Old 10-03-08, 04:29 PM
  #23  
mattotoole
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Myrtle Beach SC, USA
Posts: 287

Bikes: Klein Quantum Pro w/ Ultegra

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by HandsomeRyan View Post
If you don't play you can't win. I don't currently commute by bicycle but I emailed my HR department asking them if we could instate a commuter reimbursement program based on this new legislation. It is not real exact about how frequently I'd have to ride in to qualify, but if I could get my employer and ultimately Uncle Sam to pay for tubes, chain lube, and the occasional tire I'd be willing to ride in at least a few days a month.

I'm working on a "form letter" that others could fill out and send to their HR departments if they are interested in implementing this new legislation at their company.
Thanks! Please share it when you're done! This is the kind of thing that advocacy organizations should be doing. It would be great for Thunderhead to have in their resource pages.

In the meantime, Champe and I are trying to verify and add all the information we can, for our announcement:

https://www.vabike.org/bike-commuter-tax-benefit-passes-both-house-senate/

Hopefully we'll get it all together before Feedburner sends it out as email in a couple of hours.
mattotoole is offline  
Old 10-03-08, 04:39 PM
  #24  
huhenio
Barbieri Telefonico
 
huhenio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico
Posts: 3,522

Bikes: Crappy but operational secondhand Motobecane Messenger

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
too little ... 20 bux don't even cover inner tubes or tires.

moar!!
__________________
Giving Haircuts Over The Phone
huhenio is offline  
Old 10-03-08, 05:58 PM
  #25  
HandsomeRyan
Pants are for suckaz
 
HandsomeRyan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Mt. Airy, MD
Posts: 2,578

Bikes: Hardtail MTB, Fixed gear, and Commuter bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by mattotoole View Post
Thanks! Please share it when you're done!
Ask and you shall receive-


Feel free to edit this as needed to better suit your employer.
____________________________________________________

Human Resources Department,

As I'm sure you are aware, the Congress just passed H.R.
1424 "The Bail-Out Bill" on Capitol Hill. Although this legislation
deals primarily with the housing market, there were several other
unrelated provisions added to the bill. Among these was a tax incentive
for employers who promote the use of bicycles for commuting. The
specifics of this tax break are laid out in Sec. 211, "Transportation
fringe benefit to bicycle commuters" under the Transportation and
Domestic Fuel Security Provision section but the change is pretty basic.
The bill offers a $20 a month tax relief per bicycle commuting employee
to cover the cost of any employer reimbursement for reasonable expenses
incurred by the employee "for the purchase of a bicycle and bicycle
improvements, repair, and storage, if such bicycle is regularly used for
travel between the employee's residence and place of employment."

I am interested in finding a way that [Company Name] could implement a
program that would allow employees who cyclo-commute to expense less
than $20 a month in bike related expenses.

The benefits of an expense reimbursement program for cyclo-commuters
include:
• Lower fuel costs on company owned vehicles
• Less required maintenance on company owned vehicles
• Ability of [Company Name] to claim a full $20 per month per eligible employee
when actual expenses are likely to be far less
• Improved employee health which in turn increases employee productivity
• Creates a progressive and environmentally conscious image for the
company

Please let me know if you have any questions or would like additional
information about this recent tax code change.

Thank you,
HandsomeRyan
District Distribution Manager
Knoxville, TN
HandsomeRyan is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.