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Next time I'm running over the freaking dog.

Old 11-13-08, 11:05 AM
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You're probably right, Mr. Underbridge. Not having been there, it does sound like he took due measures but still almost ended up in a bad situation.
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Old 11-13-08, 11:07 AM
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I ride a popular MUP in DC (Capital Crescent Trail between Bethesda and Georgetown). I've tried the bell and calling out to peds, with and without dogs, with and without headphones. The dogs are not that bad on the CCT, people are good about keeping them on the leash. I find multiple advanced warnings are necessary, I don't stop yelling "On your left" or ringing until I get a wave. Too many people with headphones in la-la land for my comfort. I had one guy yell at me for warning too loudly as I passed. I couldn't come up with a pithy retort in time, unfortunately.

As for riding with all the multi-users on the MUP, I've decided that each slowdown is an opportunity for interval training, and practicing accelerating. The cyclist will never win in the court of public opinion if involved in a dog-cyclist or person-cyclist accident. They've already put 15 mph restrictions on the CCT because of anecdotal evidence of too many speed demons.

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Old 11-13-08, 11:32 AM
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I can't believe how many of my fellow cyclists here state or advocate either hitting the dogs or the owners. It sounds like the same murderous remarks that motorists make. I thought we were more evolved than that here.

In spite of the obvious and glaring stupidity of the dog-owners and that can't be denied that they were careless, self-absorbed and unable to take responsibility for their mindless behaviour, it remains our responsibility both legally and ethically to not purposefully strike or cause injury to someone or some thing else. On a MUP, after all, we are the fast, heavy traffic just like cars are on the road. Come to a stop, just as we would like motorists to do in similar circumstances when we...ahem...block the lane. Often, seeing that they or their dogs have caused traffic to come to a stop, owners will apologize without encouragement and feel embarassed and self-chastised afterward. If they don't, oh well, they weren't going to feel that way if they'd been on the receiving end of a tongue-lashing or a collision either. MUPs are shared and there is no law that I'm aware of that states one can't occupy the whole lane. It's frustrating to see such discourtesy, I agree, but running over a person or a dog when you could have---and should have---stopped makes you in the wrong.
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Old 11-13-08, 12:15 PM
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I have 3 dogs. They are well behaved, because I took the time and effort to train them. If somebody can't control their dogs, they are liable for any damages caused by said dog. Legally, if that dog causes you to crash (and you can prove it), you can file a claim against the owners homeowner's insurance for any medical bills or physical damage to the bike.

Or, you could just hit the dogs. But then you're liable.....
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Old 11-13-08, 12:16 PM
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Oh yeah, that's why I love the AirZound
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Old 11-13-08, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by EnigManiac View Post
I can't believe how many of my fellow cyclists here state or advocate either hitting the dogs or the owners. It sounds like the same murderous remarks that motorists make. I thought we were more evolved than that here.
I agree that it is hypocrisy for bikers to complain about aggressive drivers and yet advocate the same behavior in return to a dog and/or its owner. As this thread proves, cyclists are no more evolved than the general population. Mode of transportation has no bearing on someone's evolution. Besides, I don't think these keyboard tough guys would do anything of the sort in the real world, but it's real easy to talk about all their tough guy antics on the Internet.
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Old 11-13-08, 01:15 PM
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My increased cranial capacity proves that I am further evolved than most cyclists.
Evolved meaning that I am more of a caustic jerk when I feel like it.
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Old 11-13-08, 01:17 PM
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I use the bell well in advance of overtaking, and increase the number of times I ring it depending on my speed. Rarely, if ever, have I had a problem getting people's attention and having them move to the right. On the few times I've been on the MUP without a bell (mine fell off a few weeks ago). I use a longer vocal warning ("Coming up.....on your LEFT"). More than once if necessary.

When I see dogs, I increase the distance of the warning (about 2X the distance of a solo ped). If the dog is on a retractable leash, or is showing signs of wandering into the path, there's a clear order of escalation.......bell, more bell, bell + vocal warning......and the Airzound. It's been used twice on peds/dogs (always as a last resort), and is incredibly effective. The dogs REALLY pay attention to it, even if the peds don't.
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Old 11-13-08, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
You're probably right, Mr. Underbridge. Not having been there, it does sound like he took due measures but still almost ended up in a bad situation.
I should have agreed with you on one thing - while it might not necessarily be his fault, it's still his face that ends up on the pavement if he gets sideways of the dog.

I have a feeling I'll be giving the dog walkers a little extra clearance on the way home tonight.
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Old 11-13-08, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
Just like on the road, on the open seas, whatever, the person being overtaken has the right of way. Period. It is incumbent on the overtaker to do so only when it is safe. If that means slowing down to a crawl, so be it. The OP was in the wrong. Period.
Wasn't a person. Never saw the "rat dog has the right of way" law
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Old 11-13-08, 04:53 PM
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"Bicycle! On your left!" followed by a more urgent "HEADS...UP!" if they don't respond seems to be more reliable than just "On your left," which shouted alone seems to confuse peds by a lack of context.


The AirZounds was mentioned. There's also this, which is what industrial yards and police bikes use:
https://www.industrialbicycles.com/megahorn.htm

battery operated, which is nice. Doesn't require the air bottle. 105 dB. I think it makes one of those buzzing multi-frequency tones, like you sometimes hear along with the normal sirens on emergency vehicles, or when industrial equipment is starting up.

Sometimes I wonder if the airhorn confuses peds and drivers, it seems sometimes at first glance they assume it can't be coming from a bicycle and keep looking around for the source.

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Old 11-13-08, 05:44 PM
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Old 11-13-08, 08:28 PM
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Get the f out of my way works as well. j/k
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