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Old 11-20-08, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Western View Post
yeah, I'm liking the idea of the 1x1 even more. only issue is I don't think it has rack mounts.
Mine does,pretty sure the current ones do:





Fender and rack can share an eyelet no prob. Depending on the rack,the rear disc mount may interfer,but Axiom and Blackburn make racks that will go on no probs. Also,it's only an issue if you use a rear disc. A rim brake or internal roller(like mine) won't cause any issues. BTW,the TugNut in the pic does block the eyelet,but I was only using that temporarily until I picked up the proper anti-turn washers.
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Old 11-22-08, 12:50 PM
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I don't think I want to go the hub-bub route so I'll move my Midge bars and Cane Creek brake hoods over to the single speed and get a flat bar with new brake levers and the Alfine trigger shifter. It's starting to come together now...
http://www.ecovelo.info/2008/11/12/a...ith-drop-bars/

This doesn't look too geeky.
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Old 11-24-08, 04:41 PM
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Just to add another "well, if you're willing to forgo steel" item, Giant makes one now for 2009:
http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-US/...le/2345/32164/

I think manufacturers assume that if you're going for a higher end IGH, it's because you're going to be winter commuting through snow, and the salt and sand on the roads. They assume you're looking for a bike that's minimum maintenance, and that's going to be subjected to those harsh conditions that are going to be hard on everything on the bike. Steel rusts, while aluminum does not, so they put on an aluminum frame.
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Old 11-24-08, 08:22 PM
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I don't know if it meets all of your requirements, but have you seen the giant transend?
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Old 11-25-08, 10:14 AM
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Almost any singlespeed frame can be built up with the Alfine hub. Just make sure it has a rear hub spacing of 135 mm. I built one up on a pugsley, it works great, there's a link to my bike earlier in this thread. I would only recommend this set-up if you plan on some day running the 4" Endomorphs though, as the offset wheelbuild is pretty tough on narrow rims, and you have limited bottom bracket options. I'd recommend the Surly Karate Monkey, you can put just about anything on there.

Other frames I looked at for Alfine with discs and 29/700 were the Kona Unit 29 (nice sliding dropouts), Steelwool Tweed (Road geometry with a good EBB system), and the Spot Brand Highline. I actually had a Highline on order but the company was having serious shipping issues and I had to give up on it. The Highline comes with a 3-spd SRAM IGH, but you could swap it out with an alfine if you wanted too, plus you'd get to run a sweet belt drive system.

There's also a few treks out there right now with some interesting belt-drive/IGH options...
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Old 11-30-08, 04:46 PM
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Ok, based on your good feedback and some more thinking/research it looks like I'll have to go the build route and am narrowing in on the Karate Monkey or Cross Check. So, I'm aware of all of the basic differences between the KM and CC. But for my specific set-up - Alfine hub gear on 700cm/29er wheels, probably at 35mm width, with full fenders, frame size 20"/58cm, probably run On One Mary bars - what will be the key differences or problems? Anything weird about these setups that may cause me problems or great expense putting this together?
I know the brake situation is different so I'm thinking I would run canti's on the CC and rear canti with a front disc or canti on the KM. I'm not thrilled with what I'm reading about a rear disc and what it does to my rear rack options and how it potentially conflicts with me towing my Chariot trailer with the kids. I'm also worried the Alfine will conflict with Chariot and posted a question in the Family forum on that one since that's a show stopper on the IHG idea. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=490707

Any thoughts on differences between the KM and the CC specific to this setup?
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Old 12-01-08, 01:22 PM
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CC has more braze-ons and eyelets but I think all that can be worked around on the KM anyway w/ say an old man mountain rack and/or lots of p-clamps (did you mention using a rack?). I like the chumbucket red on the new KM.

Unless the chariot skewer hitch is really unusual (different from the burley skewer hitch for instance) it should work fine through the alfine hub. I have a burley hitch on my pugsley, which I believe has the same dropouts as the KM, and my wife has one on her ancient schwinn, which is basically the same as the CC dropouts (forward-facing horizontal-ish). My wife's breezer has shimano 8 spd gearhub and the burley hitch works fine in that.

Even if there is a dropout conflict w/ the skewer hitch (vs a hub conflict), it can be worked around w/ spacers (move the hitch farther out so it doesn't hit the dropout).
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Old 12-01-08, 05:11 PM
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I don't know the Chariot, but in the unlikely case you're looking for an in-between option:

There are medium cheap ($60) and easy to be had (Dimension, etc.) disc-specific steel front forks with the same axle-to-crown as the Cross-Check. Will let you get a front disc and keep the clean back dropout of the CC.

I went that route on my CC build, since I was all focused on wet weather stopping power for my commuter. I've got plenty. Still, if I had it all to do all over again, I might have skipped that and just gone w/ cantis and salmon kool-stops.

On a non-MTB, barring some weird no-rim wheel fetish, I see absolutely no reason for a rear disc.
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Old 12-02-08, 01:56 PM
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You can get racks that fit with disc brakes, the Surly Nice Rack works great on my Pug. I also have a fender on there. If you want ot put something on a KM, you can find a way to do it. But you can't put disc brakes on a CC, which to me is one of the big features of the Alfine.

As for the chariot, life's tough. The alfine doesn't have skewers and it has these directional-dropout washers that seriously impede the easy installation of their hitch thingey. I just talked with the local Chariot rep at a bike show that my lbs was having last weekend. He said they're working on a solution with Shimano. He said the real problem is that the Alfine can be set-up in so many different ways that there is no easy one-solution-for-all fix. I think it can still be done (I was thinking spacers too) but it's low on my priorities right now until Spring. Hopefully Chariot sorts it out by then. Personally, I don't see why they don't make a frame attachment adapter, that'd be a fix-all solution.
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Old 12-03-08, 02:35 PM
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Thanks for the good info Hardy, Mike and slcbob. I have thought about changing out the fork on the CC and had read about others on here using the 1x1 fork. After further consideration I'm leaning towards the KM since I already have the Salsa Casseroll and the KM is something more different versus the CC. I may very well run a disc up front and then the canti's in the back. I will hope with Mike that Chariot comes out with an answer by spring or work up something 'custom'. Unfortunately, I just missed a great Wiggle deal on the KM frame as their Nov sale ended before I could decide. I'm in the UK and with the Sterling's huge drop in value the frame was selling for 280 pounds or around $400. I think I missed a great buying opportunity...
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Old 12-03-08, 04:24 PM
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Hitch-wise I need to take back a bit of what I said; our 3 QR bikes have the burley QR skewer hitch (the 'alternative' hitch), but the 4th bike, the breezer w/ the redband hub, has the 'standard hitch' (for nutted axles; it's in the top left of that picture, and I had to drill the hole out to get it over the axle). (neither 'standard' nor 'alternative' are to be confused with 'classic' which goes into the rear triangle)

Googling doesn't quickly show me a chariot hitch comparable to the 'standard' we have on the breezer, but it does show me this QR skewer hitch. I would assume the hitch-piece that the skewer goes through and that grabs onto the trailer could be removed from the QR assembly and drilled out, like we did our burley hitch, and send you off on your way.

Bummer missing out on the KM price, I got some email spam yesterday about a frame for $365, but not sign of that today.

Only about another year-and-a-half fitting our last kid into the burley, then it either gets passed on or relegated to cargo-only use.
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Old 12-03-08, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
2009 Novara Fusion. $900 ($700 after 20% sale). Fits all of your criteria except being steel, but for the price, it's hard to beat. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...075&highlight= No. The EBB on the OCHO is absolute crap. A perfect off-the-shelf commuter should come with fenders, racks, chain guard, and dynamo. Living in wet coast, it's understood full fender is a necessity, not an option.
I don't know why you insist that the bike manufacturer should put whatever cheap rack, fenders and chainguard that they like on my bike. I'd much rather not pay extra for the junk that they try and provide and build up my bike the way I want it.
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Old 12-03-08, 10:18 PM
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I am having a similar dilemma. I want an internal geared hub but cannot afford a new bike. I can afford to put a bit of money into a bike I already have. I have read and read and read to the point of driving myself(and husband) nuts. Where I am not enough bike shops know about internal geared hubs and only a few are available and expensive. I have found a place that can build a wheel with the nexus redband as the bike can't take disc brakes which the alfine is good for. I learned that vertical drop outs are okay if you have a chain tensioner or eccentric bottom bracket. If these things are as good as people rave about maybe they will appear on more bikes and bring the price down.
good luck!
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Old 12-03-08, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzz2050 View Post
I don't know why you insist that the bike manufacturer should put whatever cheap rack, fenders and chainguard that they like on my bike. I'd much rather not pay extra for the junk that they try and provide and build up my bike the way I want it.
Good luck with finding any decent Alfine equipped bike with disc brake and dynamo under $1000. Fenders and rack doesn't cost much. I'm sure those rack and fenders are more than adequate, how high tech do you need your fenders and rack to be? Honjos and Tubus/OMM are luxuries for most commuters.
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Old 12-16-08, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by porq View Post
how about this: Brodie Ocho

I've always considered this bike to be a pretty much perfect 'off the shelf' commuter.
I just picked up a 2008 Ocho. Slightly used. Great price.

I installed 700X38C Schwalbe Marathon Supreme tires with lots of clearance. Also added Planet Bike Cascadia Hybrid Fenders and an Axiom Journey Disc Rack. The disc brakes do make racks and fenders very painful to install but I prevailed in the end.

I had one 30km shakedown ride and was very satisfied. Then we got a snowstorm, so I am on the trainer for a few days.

The aluminum frame does not seem to be an issue, esp. with 38C tires. I am not crazy about the EBB, but I do not expect to touch it very often either.

Still messing with the cockpit. I am used to drop bars, but it's minor at this point.

Nice bike. Will save my LHT lots of wear and tear in the ugly weather.
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Old 12-16-08, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
Surly 1x1 would work but for the 700c requirement. Or Karate Monkey but lacks rack brazeons. You are keying on the Alfine because you want discs, I assume. Cross-Check would not work great w/ discs.

Doh! The Pugsley! You need a 29er Pugsley.
i've seen a 1X1 built with 29er wheels/tires, so i believe a 700c road tire would fit easily...probably a fat one with room for fenders even.
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Old 12-16-08, 11:27 PM
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But aluminum fenders from Velo-Orange cost about $10 more than the cheap planet bike that seem to be the standard. They look prettier and last longer.

Racks I am less picky about, I've had plenty of fenders break, most of them the cheap planet bike, sometimes the nice SKS, never a real metal one.
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Originally Posted by fuzz2050 View Post
I've had plenty of fenders break, most of them the cheap planet bike, sometimes the nice SKS, never a real metal one.
I'm curious how? I've had 'cheap' Planet bike fenders on my last two polo bikes and they held up. Have had to bend the stays straight numerous times,and had one fender get folded(I it popped right back) when another bike ran into me,but have never had one crack or break. Not even playing in sub 30deg weather.
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The first time, I snapped the rear fender about a half inch above the rear stay when the wheel god clogged in mud, the entire area between the fender and the wheel was a solid disk of mud, and I guess the effort of trying to pedal was too much for it.

Mostly though, just fatigue breaks, ridding along with year old fenders and then i hear a scraping from one road vibration too many.
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Originally Posted by dynaryder View Post
I'm curious how? I've had 'cheap' Planet bike fenders on my last two polo bikes and they held up. Have had to bend the stays straight numerous times,and had one fender get folded(I it popped right back) when another bike ran into me,but have never had one crack or break. Not even playing in sub 30deg weather.
I've had very good luck with the PB Cascadia fenders. I use them on 3 different bikes and never a problem.

Well not quite true -- they cover so well, I get people trying to draft in the rain.
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Originally Posted by dynaryder View Post
I've got a 1x1. I'm pretty sure there'd be enough clearance to run 700x28's,maybe 32's. There really is a big gap between the tires and frame/fork.
The 1X1 looks really hot for an Alfine. If my Brodie Ocho frame craps out -- 1X1 it will be. No worries though; paid less for my Ocho than the parts are worth. Will post some pics before I get it totally filthy.
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Originally Posted by fuzz2050 View Post
Mostly though, just fatigue breaks, ridding along with year old fenders and then i hear a scraping from one road vibration too many.
I've got about 2.5 yrs on the PB Freddys on my commuter bike. The rear is the one that got folded under when I got hit in polo;the right pannier support on the rack got bent out slightly,but I just popped the fender back and it was good as new. This set has been in single and triple digit temps,and has at least 6-7k miles. The one stay's a little bent,but there's not a single crack anywhere.
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