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Old 11-17-08, 05:09 PM
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Alfine dilemma

I've read the threads, googled my brains out, and read more threads. But I still don't have the answer to my Alfine dilemma. I would love to find an off the rack bike that meets the following criteria: steel frame, 700cm wheel, Alfine IHG, rack and fender mounts, no EBB, no roller/drum brakes, lower than Civia's price point. Are there any 2008 or 2009 models out there that I may have missed?

Because I haven't been successful finding a stock bike I'm leaning towards having an Alfine rear wheel built and converting my Salsa Casseroll single speed build to a geared bike. It seems easier to find a stock steel single speed commuter to replace my Casseroll build. I think I would need to have the wheel built as I can't find any pre-builds with the Alfine hub. Has anyone seen these available? Any other thoughts on how to solve my dilemma?
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I don't know of an off-the-shelf answer. I was looking at buying a Raleigh One Way and retrofitting the internal hub. I wound up building up from scratch on a Cross Check and building my own wheels for the heck of it.

Harris Cyclery will build you an Alfine wheel. Or lots of other places.

The shifter's a pain. The Alfine trigger is only for flat or riser bars (7/8" diam). For drops (15/16"), you'll need the Nexus twist shifter (they're compatible) and a hub-bub adapter (>$50) or one of Sheldon's various hacks.
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The Felt X:City 1 is close, but it has an eccentric bottom bracket and the price is high (although not quite as much as a Civia). Why don't you want an EBB?
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how about this: Brodie Ocho

I've always considered this bike to be a pretty much perfect 'off the shelf' commuter.
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Old 11-18-08, 12:53 AM
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2009 Novara Fusion. $900 ($700 after 20% sale). Fits all of your criteria except being steel, but for the price, it's hard to beat. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...075&highlight=
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how about this: Brodie Ocho I've always considered this bike to be a pretty much perfect 'off the shelf' commuter.
No. The EBB on the OCHO is absolute crap. A perfect off-the-shelf commuter should come with fenders, racks, chain guard, and dynamo. Living in wet coast, it's understood full fender is a necessity, not an option.
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The Civia Hyland is an aluminum frame, I have one with the Rohloff hub.

Unfortunately from my point of view steel frames are becoming an endangered species it appears.

The Shimano website lists complete wheels with the Alfine hub though what actual availability is I do not know. Presumably your LBS could check on it.

I have thought of doing a drop bar IGH bike on the Surly Crosscheck or Karate Monkey frames as both have suitable dropouts for such a build w/o requiring use of a chain tensioner. One way to get a steel IGH bike.
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I have a Jamis Commuter 3.0. It came with 700x32 tires, the plain non red band nexus hub and has an aluminum frame with steel fork. I know it does not meet all of the elements in your list, however so far it has been a pretty good ride and the price was reasonable. In fact I got it while at a bike store trying to spec out a Surly 1x1 with an IGH; it seemed like a reasonable deal and was ready for me to ride away. The brakes could be a little more effective, however I got a set of KoolStop salmon pads; just have not had time to put them on yet.
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Old 11-18-08, 04:25 AM
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If you're willing to forgo steel, there is the Swobo Dixon with Sram i-Motion 9 and disc brakes.
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I'm thinking either Raleigh One Way or Redline 925 and add the IGH.

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I built up a Nexus 8sp bike starting with an IRO Rob Roy frame--Western, your extant Casserole frame ought to be a perfect candidate for an Alfine conversion, much cheaper than a whole new bike.

Comparatively, forward facing, non-horizontal dropouts at the rear will make tensioning the chain re. brake adjustment and changing wheels with fenders easier. Also, it has cable guides, which will give you a cleaner look, not having to zip tie cable and casing to the downtube... although I'm not exactly sure how well, if at all, the last stop on the chainstay will match up with the shifter arm.

With those dropouts, make sure you tell whoever you're getting the wheel from about them so that they can send you the proper anti-rotation washers.

I was looking at a Casserole frame, but got the RR through the BF GB, so it won out. I almost kicked myself after committing to the RR, when the Casserole went on sale. Only thing I didn't like about it was the sloping top tube, but knowing what I know now, I might have got it over the IRO for the slight upcharge to the sale price. All that said, I love my RR Nexus 8sp commuter.
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Originally Posted by Ken Wind View Post
The Felt X:City 1 is close, but it has an eccentric bottom bracket and the price is high (although not quite as much as a Civia). Why don't you want an EBB?
I just don't know enough about them I guess and for every plus I read about it and I read a minus or read about a bike that has a crappy one. The drop-outs you can easily see and I've worked with enough to feel comfortable. The Felt appears to be aluminum as well.
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Old 11-18-08, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mconlonx View Post
I built up a Nexus 8sp bike starting with an IRO Rob Roy frame--Western, your extant Casserole frame ought to be a perfect candidate for an Alfine conversion, much cheaper than a whole new bike.

Comparatively, forward facing, non-horizontal dropouts at the rear will make tensioning the chain re. brake adjustment and changing wheels with fenders easier. Also, it has cable guides, which will give you a cleaner look, not having to zip tie cable and casing to the downtube... although I'm not exactly sure how well, if at all, the last stop on the chainstay will match up with the shifter arm.

With those dropouts, make sure you tell whoever you're getting the wheel from about them so that they can send you the proper anti-rotation washers.

I was looking at a Casserole frame, but got the RR through the BF GB, so it won out. I almost kicked myself after committing to the RR, when the Casserole went on sale. Only thing I didn't like about it was the sloping top tube, but knowing what I know now, I might have got it over the IRO for the slight upcharge to the sale price. All that said, I love my RR Nexus 8sp commuter.
Good thoughts on the Casseroll. I had forgotten about thee cable guides and front facing drop outs. I absolutely love the frame and the single speed set up and am coming to realise I can find another decent single speed more easily than something like the Casseroll built up with an Alfine IGH. I don't think I want to go the hub-bub route so I'll move my Midge bars and Cane Creek brake hoods over to the single speed and get a flat bar with new brake levers and the Alfine trigger shifter. It's starting to come together now... The only real downside to that scenario is I can't run bigger tires on the Casseroll. I'm running 28's with the fenders now after trying to originally squeeze 32's. This is great for my London commuting run. I might be able to run 32's with fenders in a lower profile tire. That's the only downside, and the lack of canti posts, to the Casseroll. BUT, if I got a 1x1 for the SS I could move things around later on if I wanted to run bigger tires on the IGH bike. Am I thinking right? Apologies for the stream of consciousness writing...
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Surly 1x1 would work but for the 700c requirement. Or Karate Monkey but lacks rack brazeons. You are keying on the Alfine because you want discs, I assume. Cross-Check would not work great w/ discs.

Doh! The Pugsley! You need a 29er Pugsley.
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Originally Posted by tcs View Post
I'm thinking either Raleigh One Way or Redline 925 and add the IGH.

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I've ridden both and like them but isn't the rear spacing on both 120mm? I didn't think you could squeeze an Alfine IGH in there. They are both great choices though to replace my SS Casseroll if I put the Alfine wheel on that frame.
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Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
Surly 1x1 would work but for the 700c requirement. Or Karate Monkey but lacks rack brazeons. You are keying on the Alfine because you want discs, I assume. Cross-Check would not work great w/ discs.

Doh! The Pugsley! You need a 29er Pugsley.
I'm not keying on the Alfine because of discs but because I've liked it the best of the Shimano IHG's I've ridden. I haven't ridden the SRAM 9-speed though. They are not as easy to find on bikes it seems.
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I assumed the disc functionality was the only difference from the alfine to the red band but I'm not super-duper on top of that.
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Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
Surly 1x1 would work but for the 700c requirement. Or Karate Monkey but lacks rack brazeons. You are keying on the Alfine because you want discs, I assume. Cross-Check would not work great w/ discs.

Doh! The Pugsley! You need a 29er Pugsley.
You may have something there with the Pugsley. I'm looking into it. I ignored it earlier because it look unnecessarily heavy for my use but it only appears to be a 1lb or so over the CC. Will it take 700cm wheels?
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Yes, it's a 29er (which accepts 700c tires). I wonder if they moved the bottom bracket higher to accommodate the unusually large Endomorphs though. Would smaller tires, such as a 700x32 affect handling in a negative way? That may be a good question for Surly if you decide you want the Pugsley.
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Also, it has cable guides, which will give you a cleaner look, not having to zip tie cable and casing to the downtube... although I'm not exactly sure how well, if at all, the last stop on the chainstay will match up with the shifter arm.
I tried the mental gymnastics on this cable routing, and a whole lot of visualizting, and the last stop on the chainstay just doesn't match up with the Nexus cable gizmo (Alfine is the same or nearly so) on two fronts. 1) physically offset and nearly parallel. 2) the hub cable gizmo wants the housing to END at it (as you run front to back), but the chainstay guide wants the opposite - the cable that has run down the downtube and under the BB is expected to turn back into housing for its final run to the derailleur.

To me, there just wasn't an elegant way to exploit the cable guides and run a combo of housing and exposed wire. Best to just run all housing with zip ties.

BTW, I think Western is right about the hub OLD. Damn. If it's not one thing, it's another.
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surly 1x1

I'm building one of these for a winter bike for my wife and I checked it out with a 29er wheel set and it fits fine. I think with surlys fork being suspension corrected running 700c should be no problem. in fact I plan on building a set of 700c wheels for summer riding
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sorry I screwed up the post I'm building the surly 1x1 with the alfine
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Originally Posted by Western View Post
I've ridden both and like them but isn't the rear spacing on both 120mm? I didn't think you could squeeze an Alfine IGH in there.
Yeap, and one would have to cold set the rear spacing on either of these chromoly frames to fit a SRAM i3, S7 or i9 or Shimano Nexus 7 or Alfine 8 hub. They would be fine @ 120mm for a SRAM T3 or P5 or a Sturmey 3, 5 or 8 speed hub.

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Originally Posted by HardyWeinberg View Post
Surly 1x1 would work but for the 700c requirement.
I've got a 1x1. I'm pretty sure there'd be enough clearance to run 700x28's,maybe 32's. There really is a big gap between the tires and frame/fork.
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I've got a 1x1. I'm pretty sure there'd be enough clearance to run 700x28's,maybe 32's. There really is a big gap between the tires and frame/fork.
yeah, I'm liking the idea of the 1x1 even more. only issue is I don't think it has rack mounts. now, if i made that the weekend bike with the IGH and kept the Casseroll as the SS commuter then I might be able to live without the rack mounts BUT I use the EX-1 rack quite a bit even on weekends for the kid seat. Now, I do drive the kids in the seat today on the SS but running the few hills we have around here on 48X16 with the kid seat is quite a work out. the kids don't help by rocking and rolling when i puffing up the hill....
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I have thought of doing a drop bar IGH bike on the Surly Crosscheck or Karate Monkey frames as both have suitable dropouts for such a build w/o requiring use of a chain tensioner. One way to get a steel IGH bike.
I've built a drop bar KM with Alfine hubs. Pics here...
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