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Old 01-09-09, 11:15 PM
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They look like skateboard stickers from 1987, which isn't everyone's cup of tea. I like them OK, but preferred having no logoes on my bike, so I heat gun/credit carded them off.
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Originally Posted by roseskunk View Post
am i the only one who doesn't like the dude in the half-shirt on the surly site? i'm trying like hell to get the decals off my surly. i bought a bike, not a life-style.
Dude, if you keep it stock, 20 years from now an original will likely be in great demand....
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you all keep mentioning "It's steel" but it doesn't end there. Surly bikes are all 4130 CroMo, certainly a bomb-proof steel, but one that's old, heavy, and cheap.

Surly frames are made in asia just like the rest of them folks! Have you ever wondered why a discount outfit like BD.com sells Surly? They're probably made in the same factory.

For my money, Jamis offers fine Reynolds 531/631/831 steel bikes with more advanced steel frames, name brand components, and great quality.

I don't think Surly offers any competitive value, but they certainly know their target audience, don't they? I will give them big props for their cargo bike, however.
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Surlys are over-rated! If you're a sheep, then join the herd.
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Originally Posted by KrisPistofferson View Post
They look like skateboard stickers from 1987, which isn't everyone's cup of tea. I like them OK, but preferred having no logoes on my bike, so I heat gun/credit carded them off.
same here the 'misfits' like logos were the 1st thing to go
the bike looks so much cleaner without them
 
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Not long ago someone posted (with photos to demonstrate) that the Surly decals are easily removable if you paste duct tape over them and then rip the duct tape off. I don't mind the decals so mine are still on, though they are disappearing little by little in the winter riding.
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Originally Posted by Sonoma76 View Post
you all keep mentioning "It's steel" but it doesn't end there. Surly bikes are all 4130 CroMo, certainly a bomb-proof steel, but one that's old, heavy, and cheap.
Surly used to make the Cross Check with Reynolds 631, but (the going story I've heard; can anyone confirm this?) switched to 4130 when people complained that the thin walled 631 frames dented too easily.

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Surly frames are made in asia just like the rest of them folks! Have you ever wondered why a discount outfit like BD.com sells Surly? They're probably made in the same factory.
With "the rest of them", you're including Jamis, right? Jamis bikes are made in Asia and probably come from the same factory as the rest of them, too.

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For my money, Jamis offers fine Reynolds 531/631/831 steel bikes with more advanced steel frames, name brand components, and great quality.

I don't think Surly offers any competitive value, but they certainly know their target audience, don't they? I will give them big props for their cargo bike, however.
Look at similarly priced bikes between Jamis and Surly, for instance, the Aurora and the LHT.

Reynolds 520 vs. Surly's enigmatic 4130 'natch tubing. While 4130 is just a steel designation, 520 is a specific tubing... made of? Double-butted 4130 Cro-Mo. Probably from the same Taiwan factory where Surly gets theirs, but rebadged with a Reynolds sticker. (If somone has information proving otherwise, please post it. I've searched high and low for spec sheets on "Reynolds 520" and can't find squat about it.)
As for name brand components between the Aurora and LHT, it's a wash. Deore/Tiagra mix on the Jamis while the Surly has a mix of Tiagra and XT. The biggest difference is STI levers vs. barcons, which is really a matter of personal preference. They both have mid-grade cranks (FSA vs. Andel) and modest Alex rims.
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Originally Posted by mijome07 View Post
Surlys are over-rated! If you're a sheep, then join the herd.


If they were expensive, I'd say you might be right! But until they jack up their prices and stories start appearing about Surly frames falling apart, I'll stay in the Surly Cult, singin' their praises and drinkin' the Surly Kool-Aid.
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Originally Posted by mijome07 View Post
Surlys are over-rated! If you're a sheep, then join the herd.
i also drive a toyota, one of the most common cars on the road.

i think in some cases there's a reason certain cars or bikes are popular. reliable, no nonsense, reasonably priced.

if that makes me a sheep, then so be it.... baaaa....
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Originally Posted by mijome07 View Post
Surlys are over-rated! If you're a sheep, then join the herd.
Flock. A group of sheep is a flock, not a herd.
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Old 01-10-09, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sonoma76 View Post
For my money, Jamis offers fine Reynolds 531/631/831 steel bikes with more advanced steel frames, name brand components, and great quality.
Which Jamis frame matches the Pacer? Is it available as a frame only? I was looking but I couldn't find any.
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Originally Posted by Tabor View Post
Which Jamis frame matches the Pacer? Is it available as a frame only? I was looking but I couldn't find any.
The Satellite is probably the best match for the Pacer, but Jamis doesn't offer framesets. The Satellite is Reynolds 520 (see my earlier post about 520 tubing. Anyone have more info?) and built up costs approximately what a complete Surly build does. I'm guessing that if Surly offered a Complete Pacer it wouldn't stock a mix of Sora/Tiagra though. They'd probably throw barcon shifters on it and mix Tiagra/105.
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Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
Flock. A group of sheep is a flock, not a herd.
Thank you for correcting me.
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Originally Posted by roseskunk View Post
am i the only one who doesn't like the dude in the half-shirt on the surly site? i'm trying like hell to get the decals off my surly. i bought a bike, not a life-style.

I didn't like those silly graphics on the bike either; I removed them within a week of getting the LHT. They're not the easiest things to remove. I used an old credit card as a scraper, and mineral oil as a solvent (no, the paint didn't come off). Two hours later, I had a bike that looked much nicer.

And as for Surlys being overrated, it depends on what your expectations are. If you're looking for a solid, well-built frame with a decent paint job, and in the case of their complete bikes, decent components, all at a fair price, Surly is hard to beat. If you want something that's featherweight, fast, and that shows off your coolness while you ride around in tights, you're probably better off getting a Felt or Cervelo or something.

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The latest post on the Surly blog says that in the face of the rough economy "We at Surly are sticking with our plan to design good stuff that's built to last and not cost you a ton of cash." Says it all. You can have fancier lighter tubing but it'll probably cost more and last less. Or you can have a bike with something akin to 4130 but probably not as thoughtfully designed and versatile as the Surlies. That, I would venture, is the "niche."
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Surly makes a few bikes most mainstream bike manufacturers haven't touched.... fixed gear, snow/sand and cargo hauling. Simple utilitarian bikes made of steel. Who makes bikes like that these days of it? Aluminum is all the rage now.
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You could build up a Surly 1X1 as a 650b. I wouldn't see a problem there. It seems like its born for it.
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What Are Dropouts ... ???

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Steel, tire clearance, and several models with horizontal drop outs.
I'm a dummy when it comes to bicycles ... What are dropouts? Aren't there vertical and horizontal dropouts? What is the difference?
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I'm a dummy when it comes to bicycles ... What are dropouts? Aren't there vertical and horizontal dropouts? What is the difference?
Dropouts are the slots in the frame and fork where the axles fit.

Horizontal dropouts allow the rear axle to be moved forward or back to maintain proper chain tension on a fixed-gear bike.

http://sheldonbrown.com/gloss_dr-z.html#dropout
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With all that said, what should I buy as my first do everything bike (commute, exercise) - Surly Steemroller or the Felt Dispatch?
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Originally Posted by RunnerDFW View Post
With all that said, what should I buy as my first do everything bike (commute, exercise) - Surly Steemroller or the Felt Dispatch?
... If you want a do EVERYthing on a bike I'd recommend a touring bike or a cyclocross bike.

Depends. Are you putting fenders on it? The carbon fork on the dispatch might not have clearance for much beyond tires. The surly fork and frame have quite a bit of clearance but no eyelets. The dispatch has an "integrated" headset which some people say isn't the best thing going although they're getting pretty prolific. Aluminum feels harsher in my experience but the carbon fork will help with that, but it might not be as friendly on the vertical compliance if you know what I'm sayin'.
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Originally Posted by agarose2000 View Post
Not to beat the BikesDirect dead horse, but here are two CrMo and steel bikes with similar/better specs and cost half as much as the Surly.

http://bikesdirect.com/products/windsor/tourist.htm

http://bikesdirect.com/products/mercier/galaxy.htm

http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...ier_corvus.htm

(I'm comparing to the Surly: http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/surly/longhaul.htm)

What are the reasons to still go with Surly? (A lot of folks here apparently do.)
You may want to look at the geometry specs. I think the LHT has 46 cm chainstays while the bikesdirect have 41 or 42 (in the case of the windsor tourist). I considered the windsor as a replacement commuter thinking it might reduce my heelstrike, but I would have actually gotten shorter chainstays than the cyclocross bike I'm currently riding.
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I spoke with a few folks at different bike shops and they're recommending that I go with the Felt Dispatch over the Surly Steamroller. The opinions seem to be that the aluminum/carbon combo will be better for the time I'll log working out on the bike. The commuting usage will be less than other riding.
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I have two Surlys, the Big Dummy and the Cross Check. The Cross Check is wonderfully versatile. I have it set up as a road bike at the moment (105 mostly with skinny tires) but if I wanted I could set it up as a single speed or with hub gears without the need to mess around with chain tensioners. Add to that I can run 45mm tires with fenders and I can fit a rear rack to it, I really don't think there's a bike like it.

The Big Dummy is a unique bike too. Obviously it wasn't their idea to make a cargo bike in the first place but I think they've done a really good job of adapting a bike to the Xtracycle idea.

I am trying to see if I can afford a Pugsley at some stage this year.
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Originally Posted by RunnerDFW View Post
I spoke with a few folks at different bike shops and they're recommending that I go with the Felt Dispatch over the Surly Steamroller. The opinions seem to be that the aluminum/carbon combo will be better for the time I'll log working out on the bike. The commuting usage will be less than other riding.
Aluminum is uncomfortable. It's wonderfully stiff if you're worried about putting lots of power out while climbing and it's inexpensive and light. But Aluminum is not comfortable. When my aluminum racing bike gets old it's going to be replaced with a steel framed bike. I'll lose performance (I'm slow anyway) and it'll cost me more (frames are cheap anyway) but it'll be more comfortable.

You should ride both and buy whichever one you like better. Ignore the salesmen they won't be riding with you.
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