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Old 01-08-09, 10:34 PM
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Name this Bike?.....help me with alternatives?

Name this Bike?

It has disc brakes, can handle 700c 40mm studded tires WITH fenders, and costs less than One thousand dollars. Preferably no suspension front or rear. It will be a niche bike, used mostly for winter rides, both commutes and recreation.

So far, I have found the Novara Safari in the larger sizes (larger sizes are 29ers), and the Marin Muirwood.

I have rejected a few supsension forks with lockouts such as the specialized crosstrail. I have also passed on an older Canondale cyclocross because it didn't have fender mounts. I am passing on a BikesDirect Motobecane (sp?) becuase I don't want any "bought it online" service issues.

I have ordered the Marin in my size from REI - but still have a week or two to find something else before I take it home. At $650, I don't think I can beat the Marin, and I have searched all the nearby LBS's I know of. But getting the lowest price isn't the most important thing, liking the bike is.

So, know of any bikes with disc brakes and lots of clearance for 700c studded tires and fenders?
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Perhaps, but what would Cindy's last name be? Trek? Giant? Surly? ... ???
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A lot of the bigger-named brands are steering away from discs. Most of the options you're looking for are between $1500-$2000. I realize that's the price of a beater car, but, unless you want to find something on close-out, the Novara's probably you're best choice. I hope you save it for severely inclement weather, though, as it's probably a beast to push around when it's dry and sunny out. How long is your commute? How hilly? Would this be a year-round ride or a winter bike? God forbid you'd have to lug that thing up stairs loaded down.
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Purely a niche bike, for winter rides and 5 mile commute in snow and ice. Lots of other bikes in the garage for when the water turns soft again. I am doing it now on an old Schwinn comfort bike with rim brakes. Rim brakes suck in snow.

I need to get a look at the Giant Seek. I think it is similarly priced, but with hydraulic brake options near that $700 price point. Even an IGH model higher up. Aluminum frame instead of the steel frame on the Marin. My LBS and Giant dealer didn't have one, I have to make sure there is good clearance for the studds and fenders front and rear.
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what about a kona ute ? bit out of the ordinary but disc brakes, 47s w / fenders, alum. frame, plus its a workhorse, may find yourself riding it outside of winter too.
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Originally Posted by huhenio View Post
Cindy?
Nah. Cindy is a bit skinnier. How about Betsy?
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what about a kona ute ? bit out of the ordinary but disc brakes, 47s w / fenders, alum. frame, plus its a workhorse, may find yourself riding it outside of winter too.
Well, not quite what I was looking for. But I did notice that the Kona Dew, and maybe a few others might satisfy. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Hot Potato View Post
Name this Bike?

It has disc brakes, can handle 700c 40mm studded tires WITH fenders, and costs less than One thousand dollars. Preferably no suspension front or rear. It will be a niche bike, used mostly for winter rides, both commutes and recreation.
Gary Fisher Kaitai and swap the front fork. Same with the Specialized.

I have the GF set up as a commuter and it rocks. I just run the front fork in lockout.
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Are you willing to build a bike up from the frame? If so, it sounds like the Surly Karate Monkey could be your one true love. You could probably do it for right around the $1000 mark if you're willing to do the work yourself, don't mind scouring online for deals on parts, or have some spares.

Or, and I'm not being a smartass here, you could spend $40 and get your bike on Craigslist. Your bike was made in the early 90s and called a hybrid. I commute on one I've owned since, well, 1993. I have 700x37C tires with fenders, and probably have room for 45's if I wanted to use them. Eyelets for fenders and rack. They're great bikes that get no love for reasons I don't understand, so they're dirt cheap.

Only problem is the lack of disc brakes, but you could always use about $200 of the $960 you saved to get a new fork with disc tabs and a disc brake for the front, which really is the only place you're going to need disc brakes. And a new headset, of course, unless you can find a 1" threaded fork with disc tabs. If you did find such a thing, PM me.
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Originally Posted by nmanhipot View Post
A lot of the bigger-named brands are steering away from discs. Most of the options you're looking for are between $1500-$2000.
Lots of bikes that fit the bill under $1K. Kona Dews,Trek Valencia,Giant Seek and prolly Transend,and a bunch of others I'm too lazy to look up. Also alot of 26"-wheeled bikes out there that will handle 2" tires. Hydro discs are even working their way down to sub-$750 bikes.

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I hope you save it for severely inclement weather, though, as it's probably a beast to push around when it's dry and sunny out. How long is your commute? How hilly? Would this be a year-round ride or a winter bike?
My Safari is my daily commuter. Rolls just fine despite the weight,and I'm in a very hilly area. Wide gearing lets me handle anything.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Underbridge View Post
Are you willing to build a bike up from the frame? If so, it sounds like the Surly Karate Monkey could be your one true love. You could probably do it for right around the $1000 mark if you're willing to do the work yourself, don't mind scouring online for deals on parts, or have some spares.

Or, and I'm not being a smartass here, you could spend $40 and get your bike on Craigslist. Your bike was made in the early 90s and called a hybrid. I commute on one I've owned since, well, 1993. I have 700x37C tires with fenders, and probably have room for 45's if I wanted to use them. Eyelets for fenders and rack. They're great bikes that get no love for reasons I don't understand, so they're dirt cheap.

Only problem is the lack of disc brakes, but you could always use about $200 of the $960 you saved to get a new fork with disc tabs and a disc brake for the front, which really is the only place you're going to need disc brakes. And a new headset, of course, unless you can find a 1" threaded fork with disc tabs. If you did find such a thing, PM me.
Tell me about the hybrids? That's what I am using now! It did cross my mind to put a disc fork up front, and a IGH hub w/ a brake in back on that old schwinn. It needs a new stem too. But we are talking about a new fork, new wheels, disc brake, new stem, and while we are at it, new seat post, seat and handlebar(don't like the current ones)..... for my old schwinn el cheapo hybrid???

Nah, I am not too interested in doing all the work myself, I am not that good a wrench. But that would be a cool project if I ever got into bike wrenching. I did get a look at the Kona Dew today. It looks like there just might be enough clearance for the studds and the fenders. Plus it is on sale at the LBS for less than the Marin, and has hydraulic discs instead of mechanical discs.

But I know that the Marin 29er has tons of clearance front and back. I can buy better components as I go along, but I can't buy more clearance. I think the advantage goes to the Marin.

Thanks for the ideas.
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Tell me about the hybrids? That's what I am using now! It did cross my mind to put a disc fork up front, and a IGH hub w/ a brake in back on that old schwinn. It needs a new stem too. But we are talking about a new fork, new wheels, disc brake, new stem, and while we are at it, new seat post, seat and handlebar(don't like the current ones)..... for my old schwinn el cheapo hybrid???
Oh my bad! I love riding my old nasty beater. I guess it depends how much you like the frame as to whether it's worth investing in. But seriously, they don't much make 'em like that anymore, and they're super versatile. One man's cheap-o is another man's vintage! But I know what you're saying, I just got new wheels for mine...of course that means I need a new shifter/derailleur since I don't want to re-dish the new rear wheel to accommodate crappy shifters. At least I got my new wheels cheap and disc compatible, so I can use them whenever I get a new bike. I'm like one of those kids that has $1000 rims on a Dodge Neon!

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But I know that the Marin 29er has tons of clearance front and back. I can buy better components as I go along, but I can't buy more clearance. I think the advantage goes to the Marin.
That's the truth. I'd hate to have one of those bikes that teases you with 32mm tires , but right past that the fork starts angling in. Bah!

Have fun with your new bike. Hope she treats you well.
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Boy did you get me thinking. Before I ordered the Marin, I was looking at IGH bikes with disc brakes. I didn't have much to choose from locally. A few of the bikes I saw online I was able to see locally, but nothing really reached out and grabbed me. It was always something.. didn't quite like the way that one looked, didn't quite like the price of this one, the other had components I wasn't sure about. Round and round I went until I just decided to only use the criteria above, 700c wheels, disc brakes, fenders AND 40mm studs, thousand bucks. IGH just drove the price up, and made the bike less likely to have the other stuff I considered desirable.

So when I get the Marin or other bike (still wondering if someone will come along and post a bike I will like better), my old schwinn will be hanging from the garage ceiling unused, with components and set up I don't enjoy. Which means I won't be using it for anything else, so I could turn it into a project bike! A quick google search tells me:

700c Shimano IGH wheel with roller brake and new shifter - $355
Disc brake front fork - $90
Disc brake kit and lever - $105

So for $550 (and I have no idea if my numbers are accurate), I could convert a bike I have been tempted to push to the curb into something I want to hang on to? Geez. Now I am wondering if I should cancel the Marin, tough out this winter with my rim brakes, set up the schwinn for next year. Look what you have started!

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^^^Don't forget the new front hub to handle the disc rotor.
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D'oh!

I think I have verticle drop outs too, so then I need a chain tensioner as well? I better wait till summer so I can leave the bike on the repair stand for prolonged periods while I figure out what I am doing.
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For what it's worth, did you see the thread on the new Giant Seek 1? 700C wheels, rigid fork, disc brakes (hydros). Early reports are it can handle 40C tires, though fenders might be a shade tight with 40s.

And the kicker? Comes stock with an Alfine hub. Right around $1000 too.

Don't know if you turned that one up in your search, but could get you a new bike and scratch your IGH itch.

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=469753

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I am still seeking the Seek for an in person interview. I figure since it is being marketed as an urban vehicle, it probably is just short of the clearance I want. At least that seems to be the trend from the major manufacturers I have checked out so far. But I couldn't tell for sure from pictures and videos online, and haven't seen one in person yet.
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I am still seeking the Seek for an in person interview. I figure since it is being marketed as an urban vehicle, it probably is just short of the clearance I want. At least that seems to be the trend from the major manufacturers I have checked out so far. But I couldn't tell for sure from pictures and videos online, and haven't seen one in person yet.
In the thread there was one guy who rode it with 40s on it, but without fenders I know what you mean, I wouldn't order something like that without riding it. Sounds like a pretty cool ride, though.
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Name this Bike?


So, know of any bikes with disc brakes and lots of clearance for 700c studded tires and fenders?

Yes
and it is named OUTLAW
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Yes
and it is named OUTLAW
If only there was a way for me to see and feel one.
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Originally Posted by Hot Potato View Post
If only there was a way for me to see and feel one.

There is:

1 - several other bikes are similar, ride the same, and made in same factory. you can find one and try it out

2 - you can buy one; set it up; test ride it; and if you do not love it; rebox and return it

We have about one return out of each 500 bikes we sell,
BUT we have never had a Fantom Cross Outlaw returned.
Simple reason for that, the bike rocks and has features lots of people find hard to get on other bikes even at twice the money
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Originally Posted by DataJunkie View Post
Nah. Cindy is a bit skinnier. How about Betsy?
That's funny, my road bike is named Princess Cindy. It's a Cannondale Synapse, so yeah, considerably thinner.
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Surly Pugsley. Built specifically for what you described.
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Boy did you get me thinking. Before I ordered the Marin, I was looking at IGH bikes with disc brakes. I didn't have much to choose from locally.
Just curious about the 700cc requirement. Because if you were willing to go 26",REI is supposed to start carrying Swobos and the Dixon would fit the bill. It's got clearance for 2" knobbies/studs(that's about 50mm),discs,SRAM 9 sp hub,and will take a rack and fenders(Swobo even lists them as an option). I actually prefer 26" to 700cc on my commuters because I can find a wider range of tires right at my LBS. I've never really experienced enough of a difference between the two to turn down a bike just based on it's wheel size.
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