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Old 01-23-09, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
You need to read it again, gene, because you're way off on your comprehension of what lil brown bat said. It's perfectly clear that what LBB meant by "recreational activity" is standing by a roadside waiting for a cop, NOT cycling.

IMO you owe him an apology for your mean spirited rant based on a complete misreading.
You're right... while I did misinterpret the issue of "recreational time" (had to go back and read the whole thread to follow it) and I do owe LBB an apology for that, on the other hand, I really do agree with CBHI on the issue of ensuring that the motorist got the whole message. (lest he drive on clueless... )

Yes it was "wasted time" (ie the "recreational time" in question) however, as CBHI pointed out, his next task was changing a toilet lever... so CB stood around for some long period of time, that others may not have had the patience for, to ensure that a clueless motorist got a clue. Under those circumstances it was not "wasted time." CB was a teacher, and the student, the driver, had an hour of classroom time together... think of it as the remedial lesson that the driver needed. (a'la Mr Hand in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High")

CB had the time, and wanted to ensure that the message wasn't garbled. Unlike me, who obviously read LBB's post too quickly... and you saw that result.

So my humble apology to LBB... who might consider actually spending time with his next wayward motorist, to ensure that other fellow cyclists don't have to deal with a driving bully. ("public service," so to speak) And kudos to CB, for putting in the time. And a humble thank you to you for pointing out my error.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
You're right... while I did misinterpret the issue of "recreational time" (had to go back and read the whole thread to follow it) and I do owe LBB an apology for that, on the other hand, I really do agree with CBHI on the issue of ensuring that the motorist got the whole message. (lest he drive on clueless... )

Yes it was "wasted time" (ie the "recreational time" in question) however, as CBHI pointed out, his next task was changing a toilet lever... so CB stood around for some long period of time, that others may not have had the patience for, to ensure that a clueless motorist got a clue. Under those circumstances it was not "wasted time." CB was a teacher, and the student, the driver, had an hour of classroom time together... think of it as the remedial lesson that the driver needed. (a'la Mr Hand in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High")

CB had the time, and wanted to ensure that the message wasn't garbled. Unlike me, who obviously read LBB's post too quickly... and you saw that result.

So my humble apology to LBB... who might consider actually spending time with his next wayward motorist, to ensure that other fellow cyclists don't have to deal with a driving bully. ("public service," so to speak) And kudos to CB, for putting in the time. And a humble thank you to you for pointing out my error
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Still, spitting is not a lesson. It doesn't reflect the civic values that we expect from the cagers who pass us. And it's very unlikely that the lesson learned by these cagers was the lesson that CB HI meant to impart. It's more likely that they learned that the next time they see a cyclist, they should spit on him or her.
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I sock people in the face. Nothing like rolling up at a red light and saying "Whats up NOW!". Spitting is small potaoes.
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
Still, spitting is not a lesson. It doesn't reflect the civic values that we expect from the cagers who pass us. And it's very unlikely that the lesson learned by these cagers was the lesson that CB HI meant to impart. It's more likely that they learned that the next time they see a cyclist, they should spit on him or her.
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
Still, spitting is not a lesson. It doesn't reflect the civic values that we expect from the cagers who pass us. And it's very unlikely that the lesson learned by these cagers was the lesson that CB HI meant to impart. It's more likely that they learned that the next time they see a cyclist, they should spit on him or her.
Dude, ive been riding for barely more than a year and ive already been spit on, had a bottle rocket shot at me, yelled at, passed too close AND right hooked. I've done nothing to offend any of these people. I feel spitting is well within the range of keeping the gloves on. I wish I had the aim and capability to at LEAST spit on the dude that gave me a concussion...



I don't expect anything close to a "civic value." I'm often happy just to not get hit.

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I was just here for pictures of cheerleaders...

Spitting discussions, although RIVETING, aren't what I'm paying for.
And dude, I hope your not paying for this...
Not that I don't appreciate the info....

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Watching someone get what they deserve isn't an hour of wasted time, it's an hour of entertainment.
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Originally Posted by monk_of_bob View Post
And dude, I hope your not paying for this...
Not that I don't appreciate the info....
I had to check my above post for a red star next to my avatar to make sure I wasn't paying for this.

I think I paid in '05, though. Worth it that year because I used up this forum...milked it for all it was worth and learned quite a lot.

...except for this thread. Is it better to slap or spit on a car?
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
You're right... while I did misinterpret the issue of "recreational time" (had to go back and read the whole thread to follow it) and I do owe LBB an apology for that
Apology accepted. Next time, aim twice, shoot once...not shoot twice without aiming

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Yes it was "wasted time" (ie the "recreational time" in question)
Cut it out. I said "recreational choices", not "recreational time" or "wasted time", and I think I made it abundantly clear what I meant...but just to break it down for you, if your (generic "your") idea of fun (see? that's where "recreational choices" comes from) consists of standing at the side of the road engaging in a shouting match, de gustibus non est disputandum, but it ain't to my taste and I don't get it (just like I don't get paying $30+ a pound for coffee beans that are pooped out by some kind of Indonesian ferret, when by all accounts it's pretty ordinary coffee). Ferret feces coffee and lengthy pissing matches with motorists, same desirability level in my book.

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So my humble apology to LBB... who might consider actually spending time with his next wayward motorist, to ensure that other fellow cyclists don't have to deal with a driving bully.("public service," so to speak)
I consider that if I need to spend even one tenth that amount of time, whatever I'm doing isn't going to do a damn thing to change said motorist from being a "driving bully).
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Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
Apology accepted. Next time, aim twice, shoot once...not shoot twice without aiming
Fair enough... Indeed I have skimmed responses on BF quickly at times and missed details.


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Cut it out. I said "recreational choices", not "recreational time" or "wasted time", and I think I made it abundantly clear what I meant...but just to break it down for you, if your (generic "your") idea of fun (see? that's where "recreational choices" comes from) consists of standing at the side of the road engaging in a shouting match, de gustibus non est disputandum, but it ain't to my taste and I don't get it (just like I don't get paying $30+ a pound for coffee beans that are pooped out by some kind of Indonesian ferret, when by all accounts it's pretty ordinary coffee). Ferret feces coffee and lengthy pissing matches with motorists, same desirability level in my book.
Hence the reason I put it in quotes... "recreation time" or "recreation choice" in either case meant the same thing for the sake of this conversation.

And regarding coffee beans etc... different strokes for different folks. I wouldn't pay for such beans either... nor do I see the value in fast moving sporty cars that so many seem to fawn over...

But if you do not see the value in spending even mere minutes to educate a wayward motorist, perhaps you don't even value your space on the road. Other cyclist may on the other hand chose to use their time in their own way.


Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
I consider that if I need to spend even one tenth that amount of time, whatever I'm doing isn't going to do a damn thing to change said motorist from being a "driving bully).
That of course is your choice... just don't be offended if a motorist sees you on the road and has the same consideration of your rights to the road.

Good luck with that.
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But if you do not see the value in spending even mere minutes to educate a wayward motorist, perhaps you don't even value your space on the road.
What I don't get--what did the motorist learn? What value did the spitting contribute to the lesson? I see absolutely nothing in the OP to indicate that a lesson was learned, other than CB HI's unsupported conclusion:

Originally Posted by CB HI, Post #1
The police arrive about 25 minutes after the call and the driver and daughter run up to him to get in the first word. I patently wait until the officer talks to them and then walks over to me. I gave my side of things and he says he is willing to file opposing harassment complaints. I told the officer that it would be their decision if they wanted to file a report (knowing that would put the pressure on them to back down or have a report filed against them). The officer goes back to Dad and daughter. Momma gets out of SUV and walks over to listen in.

Officer finishes talking to them and they all get in SUV and drive off.

Officer comes back and lets me know that he once cycled and that he explained to them, that since there was no bike lane, cyclist can use the lane and the driver has to move into the left lane to pass. The officer then said, “You won’t spit on any other cars, right”. I respond “It worked didn’t it?” He then recommended that I slap close passers and not spit again. (Did I hear that right, the cop suggested I SLAP cars)!

Well, three people got a lesson on safe passing. The spit was still on their SUV as they drove off
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On a different level, what have your attacks on lil brown bat contributed to this discussion? Even here, you're accusing him of not valuing his space, when I see nothing in his comments to indicate that he's some kind of "uncle tom" of the cycling movement. It's almost like you're spitting on him. I don't like it.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Hence the reason I put it in quotes...
When something is put in quotes, it's assumed that you are quoting someone, particularly when you are carping about a comment that they made.

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"recreation time" or "recreation choice" in either case meant the same thing for the sake of this conversation.
Will you cut it out??? You can say, "When I say 'recreational time' and 'recreational choices', I mean the same thing." Stop making statements about what other people mean.

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But if you do not see the value in spending even mere minutes to educate a wayward motorist, perhaps you don't even value your space on the road.
And there you go again, and now you're really starting to piss me off. You offer an apology, and immediately make clear what that "apology" is worth (something less than used toilet paper) by immediately engaging in the same offensive behavior. I'm getting the idea that you're a recreational distortionist, and that your idea of a good time is to construct lies by selective distortions of other people's statements. As I've made abundantly clear, it wasn't "mere minutes", it was quite a few minutes. And as for your "perhaps you don't even value your space on the road", that's nothing but a feces-agitating attempt to portray me as a cyclist-hating cyclist who kisses driver ass. So I think at this point you owe me another apology, a sincere one this time, with no "buts" in it, and in the future refrain from these sad, stupid, lame attempts to malign those who disagree with you in order to support your point. Or, if you're not going to do that, just say so and I'll slap an ignore on you, and we're done.
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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
What I don't get--what did the motorist learn? What value did the spitting contribute to the lesson? I see absolutely nothing in the OP to indicate that a lesson was learned, other than CB HI's unsupported conclusion:

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On a different level, what have your attacks on lil brown bat contributed to this discussion? Even here, you're accusing him of not valuing his space, when I see nothing in his comments to indicate that he's some kind of "uncle tom" of the cycling movement. It's almost like you're spitting on him. I don't like it.
The motorist learned they were in the wrong. They presented their case to the police and were told to move on...

For LBB apparently there is no need to defend a cyclists' space on the road. That is LBB's choice, but with that choice should come the realization that no one is going to back up LBB.

Myself, while I would not spit on a car, nor slap it, I will stand my ground against a bully motorist. I would rather do this, then allow that motorist to go around harassing other cyclists... or me, in the future.

(I know the following metaphor is probably going to get me flamed)
To me standing up against a wayward motorist is like not going to the back of the bus.

Or consider this... if we cyclists are not going to tell cyclist harassing motorists they are wrong... who will?

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while spitting makes me laugh, I prefer to slap.
They say I punched their car, I say I was signaling a left turn.
See how much they really want to push their luck with the law.

I was having trouble justifying whacking a car. Thanks. Now where are my Mad Max gloves with the pointy studs on the back.
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Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
When something is put in quotes, it's assumed that you are quoting someone, particularly when you are carping about a comment that they made.
They can also be used to emphasize something as in the use of "air quotes." (note that I put that in quotes, even though you had not said it)


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Will you cut it out??? You can say, "When I say 'recreational time' and 'recreational choices', I mean the same thing." Stop making statements about what other people mean.
For the sake of brevity I did not go back and get your exact quote.

But now for the sake of clarity here it is...
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You spit on a car, and then you stood around for the better part of an hour getting into a snit with a couple of idjits, and you want to make out like this is some kind of bold stand for freedom? Such drama.

So let's see...apparently I'm no psychologist because I observed that you seem to be playing a childish game over whose behavior was worse...but you're spot on with your observation that, because I said that, I "seem to be one of those folks who always wants to blame the cyclist"? Dude, get yourself a couch and go into practice, toot sweet!

I believe it's already been pointed out to you that in all likelihood, he didn't know that you had the right to use the lane. Yet rather than simply point this out to him and go on your way, you gave yourself an atomic wedgie for over half an hour over it, and now you're convincing yourself that simple ignorance is anti-bicycle persecution. I'm not going to argue with your choice of recreational activities... just saying, as I did when I came into this thread, that it seems like a waste of time to me, and that in your place, I would have other things I'd rather be doing.
Now the part I was particularly interested in was the fact that you also believed the motorist did not know that the cyclist had rights to use the lane... and now based on the rest of this thread... apparently you don't care, as you consider it a "waste of time" (quoted as exact phrased used).

So in other words it is fine and dandy that said motorist can just go about harassing cyclists as "he didn't know that you had the right to use the lane." (again exact quotes).


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And there you go again, and now you're really starting to piss me off. You offer an apology, and immediately make clear what that "apology" is worth (something less than used toilet paper) by immediately engaging in the same offensive behavior. I'm getting the idea that you're a recreational distortionist, and that your idea of a good time is to construct lies by selective distortions of other people's statements. As I've made abundantly clear, it wasn't "mere minutes", it was quite a few minutes. And as for your "perhaps you don't even value your space on the road", that's nothing but a feces-agitating attempt to portray me as a cyclist-hating cyclist who kisses driver ass. So I think at this point you owe me another apology, a sincere one this time, with no "buts" in it, and in the future refrain from these sad, stupid, lame attempts to malign those who disagree with you in order to support your point. Or, if you're not going to do that, just say so and I'll slap an ignore on you, and we're done.
You're on your own here. I have stated my part, and yes I think that any cyclist that puts up with crap from a motorist that doesn't "know that you had the right to use the lane," (again direct quote) and said cyclist just rides on, that cyclist deserves what they get now and in the future from harassing motorists.

If you are not defending your rights to the road, you are not part of the solution, but part of the problem.

'nuff said.
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This should be stickied for the lolfactor.

The intarnet is serious business.

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Originally Posted by Roody View Post
What I don't get--what did the motorist learn? What value did the spitting contribute to the lesson? I see absolutely nothing in the OP to indicate that a lesson was learned, other than CB HI's unsupported conclusion:
In your post, you even quote what I said:
"Officer comes back and lets me know that he once cycled and that he explained to them, that since there was no bike lane, cyclist can use the lane and the driver has to move into the left lane to pass."
So who, in essence are you calling a liar? I believe the police officer when he said he explained to them, that since there was no bike lane, cyclist can use the lane and the driver has to move into the left lane to pass.

Seems to me, that is a good lessen the police officer told the motorist.

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I was having trouble justifying whacking a car. Thanks. Now where are my Mad Max gloves with the pointy studs on the back.
No need for studs, the injection molded thermoplastic knuckles will do just fine.
http://www.tactical-store.com/ts-wx-gl-tag-1.html#
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No need for studs, the injection molded thermoplastic knuckles will do just fine.
http://www.tactical-store.com/ts-wx-gl-tag-1.html#
Can we turn this into a gloves thread?

http://www.amazon.com/Kevlar-Tactica...ref=pd_sbs_a_1

http://www.amazon.com/Hatch-Operator...ref=pd_sbs_a_1
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Can we turn this into a gloves thread?
Only if you come up with a pair, at a low price that I would rather slap a car with, rather than spit at the car.
Your off to a good start with your first 2 links.
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Only if you come up with a pair, at a low price that I would rather slap a car with, rather than spit at the car.
Your off to a good start with your first 2 links.

http://www.amazon.com/Spider%252dMan...ref=pd_sbs_a_2

You can slap and shoot silly string. You don't dehydrate yourself, and you get the best of both worlds!

Edit: Don't forget looking awesome while you do it!

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You guys have missed the point. Those Mad Max gloves, with the metal studs all over the back? Well, they will leave something behind that will bother the motorist a lot more than... well... a lot more than spit will! But I must confess I did not know that there were "tactical assault gloves" available. I wonder why the hard backs are shaped like knuckles. I would think there would be a market for custom engraved tactical assault gloves, so that something like "ass whupped by Mike" or "I was a jerk" would be left imprinted on the recipient. For this thread, "3 feet" might be the appropriate message to leave behind?
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You guys have missed the point. Those Mad Max gloves, with the metal studs all over the back? Well, they will leave something behind that will bother the motorist a lot more than... well... a lot more than spit will! But I must confess I did not know that there were "tactical assault gloves" available. I wonder why the hard backs are shaped like knuckles. I would think there would be a market for custom engraved tactical assault gloves, so that something like "ass whupped by Mike" or "I was a jerk" would be left imprinted on the recipient. For this thread, "3 feet" might be the appropriate message to leave behind?

I like this idea. I think combining this with the spiderman gloves would rule.

It sucks to say 'i got my ass whupped by a bicyclist wearing spiderman gloves.'
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For LBB apparently there is no need to defend a cyclists' space on the road. That is LBB's choice, but with that choice should come the realization that no one is going to back up LBB.
You're a contemptible liar.
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Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
You're a contemptible liar.
Not hardly.

Did I not quote you properly in my last post?
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