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Old 02-08-09, 02:31 PM
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Do Dutch Perspire?

I don't get it..I have been off the bike for almost 2 months..sub freezing temperatures and before that christmas holidays.. Anyhow I wanted to see how well the trail had been cleared so I went out for a quick spin (alas there is still ice on it) and the winter beater is in for repairs. It won't be out till Tuesday

Anyhow I was out for about 1.5-2km and already I was sweating.

Clothing: helmet - with bandana for my ears
wool long sleeve
cycling windproof jacket
shorts
windbreaking pants
socks, shoes, gloves.

I clearly was NOT over dressed for 2 degrees and sunshine...but there i was.sweating and if I had gone for another km I would have been even more..

yet I watch video's on youtube about the dutch, they are cycling everywhere...i don't get it...do they not sweat?

argh...I think i just wanted to vent more than anything else

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Old 02-08-09, 02:47 PM
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Interesting. I guess I can vouch for them since i am second generation dutch but I honestly don't sweat very much when I go riding.
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Old 02-08-09, 02:57 PM
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Maybe they sweat too, but don't get so worked up about it. In some places of the world, they're not afraid to be human!
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Old 02-08-09, 03:04 PM
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In the vids I've seen, they seem to noodle along at only 10-15 km/h. Going slow seems to be it.
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Old 02-08-09, 03:06 PM
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I 've wondered this same question too for cyclists everywhere. Some said, I wash my winter jacket after every ride. Of course, it smells like shetz. They say my excessive washing must destroy the qualities of Gore Tex. So would drenched sweat left unwashed. Their rides must be low effort exercises.
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Old 02-08-09, 03:18 PM
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Maybe your right...maybe slow is the key...but heck, i do actually want to get somewhere
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Old 02-08-09, 03:21 PM
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Just tooling about a flat town. Maybe cycling takes little more physical exertion than walking. ?.. And Hills. Holland hasn't any.. But, for me, If I don't hit some hills at least, why bother. Bikes are fun but also for exercise.
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Old 02-08-09, 03:27 PM
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I don't really have any hills...its mainly flat where I am.
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Old 02-08-09, 03:33 PM
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I take it easy on my commute, which is < 10 miles. I sweat very little unless it's really hot & humid. Some people do sweat less than others, but I don't think it's just reserved for the Dutch. I think is has more to do with flater roads and as previously mentioned, slower speeds.

Silly Americans are always in a hurry to get somewhere...
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I think you were overdressed. Halfway home on a ride at 2 C, my coat is completely unbuttoned and trailing like a cape -- and that's at night. Maybe try it without the jacket?

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Maybe the windproof gear doesn't breathe enough.
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hahah i just realized you gave the temp in Celsius, I'm 3rd generation dutch

but yeah 2C=35F

here it was 40F, rode with wool jersey, wool sweater, wool scarf, and my dickies jacket as a shell.
Didn't break a sweat once, i think i rode a total 4miles at traffic speeds.
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Well.... to tell the family secret, my grandmother was Dutch.........
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If that is 2C, I'd say you were most certainly overdressed (by my standards anyway). And since you're sweating hard, your body agrees with me.

I wouldn't have a wool long sleeve jersey with a longsleeve jacket over that at 2C That's how I dress at about -8 to -10C. At 2C, I'm wearing a longsleeve jersey, with a loose windproof vest over it if there's tough headwind.

If you want to not be sweating at the end, you should be cool when you start, or prepare to shed layers.
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Old 02-08-09, 05:18 PM
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You overdressed. And you are out of shape, 2 months and no riding? And you're on a mountainbike going through snow. So yes you'll sweat.
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Originally Posted by cyclezealot View Post
Just tooling about a flat town. Maybe cycling takes little more physical exertion than walking.

I'm positive cycling takes less effort than walking. Otherwise why would the velocipedes have been invented and propagated in the first place? They are labor-savers from the get-go.
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The Dutch have completely flat lands. They have no hills. It's a small country. And the Dutch ride VERY slowly. It also doesn't get as hot or as humid as it does in a lot of parts of the US (like the North East, the South, etc.).

If you don't want to sweat on your commutes, only ride on flat lands, zero incline/hills, go slow and don't bike in hot/humid weather.
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Dutch expat here

Let's see:
- Our cities are not as spread out as american cities, so distances are generally shorter.
- Everything is flat there, our bikes are build to last, be low maintenance and ride in any type of weather, not for speed.
- I literally know people that were on a tricycle before they could properly walk. Chances are the daily commute is not a big deal to most people that ride often enough.
- Excellent bicycle lanes. No need to "take the lane" and keep your speed up with the rest of traffic.
- If the distance is longer, we can easily take our bikes onto the train. Busses actually don't have space for bicycles. If it's short enough to ride the bus, it's short enough to ride.

Funny thing is that you'll hardly ever see anyone in cycling clothing for their commute, we just ride jeans/suit/whatever for the day, with the exception of rain clothing.
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Originally Posted by macteacher View Post
... ... ... ...I think i just wanted to vent more than anything else
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Venting is indeed the secret. No windproof gear breathes enough (at least for me) even at 2F (okay, 5F was the lowest I rode at this winter), much less 2C. Windfront is the secret to cold weather comfort without a steam bath.
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Originally Posted by cyclezealot View Post
Just tooling about a flat town. Maybe cycling takes little more physical exertion than walking. ?.. And Hills. Holland hasn't any.. But, for me, If I don't hit some hills at least, why bother. Bikes are fun but also for exercise.
I think you've hit upon the biggest difference between North American and European bicycle commuters. Europeans just want to get to work, and they don't want to mess up their clothes on the way there, because they have no intention of changing clothes when they get to the office. That's why they ride bikes in an upright position, usually without helmets, with internally geared hubs and chain guards. North Americans, even when they're riding for utilitarian purposes, like going to work, still see bicycling as at least partly a sport. Many if not most NA commuters ride at least somewhat fast, have messy external drive trains, use clip-in pedals, get really sweaty, and change at work if they can. A lot of commuters here even wear Lycra, which you don't see very many Europeans doing (probably for good reason).

Personally, being an American, I lean toward the American model, but not too much. I never ride in cycling-specific clothing, and only use "clipless" pedals while touring. (Lycra is silly if you're not actually racing, and kind of smelly, and clipless pedals are a pain in the a** in traffic.) I do ride fairly briskly, though, on a bike that isn't a half-ton Dutch behemoth, and actually enjoy throwing myself at Seattle's many steep hills with masochistic abandon. For me, getting exercise while going to work is a major benefit of cycle commuting. Sweat is just part of the deal: that's why they invented towels and deodorant.
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I'm dutch, i bike to work, and i sweat (a lot in the summer, less in the winter). But with a change of shirt and a shower each day I have no problem with it. Also my collegues don't seem to care so there's no problem.
I think it also a cultural thing. People on bikes sweat in all sorts of climates whether this is accepted or not is highly dependant on culture.
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... For me, getting exercise while going to work is a major benefit of cycle commuting. Sweat is just part of the deal: that's why they invented towels and deodorant.
Former Ontarian, now expat NL here.
I find the Dutch approach to urban riding to be very sensible. It's true that performance doesn't come into it. You'll see a business person riding from the train station on a bike that costs half as much as their shoes. Weekends on the coastal bike paths are a different story. Pelotons of hard core riders of various ages bombing along on carbon fiber and dressed in full team kit. Mixing in with elderly couples out for a casual 30k with a lunch stop for biertjes and cheezy melted delights...

I now use the bike leaning against the tree out front for any errand that's more than 100m from my front door.

This is why the North American cycling movement will only ever be relegated to the hardcore or 'health nut' types. Biking is too closely aligned with racing. Positions are uncomfortable for the uninitiated. Sweaty and gasping for air. The new balloon tire 'Cruiser' type bikes are more about fashion than getting from A to B. Cyclists here see riding as being as normal and easy as walking. Unless it's hammer time.
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I think you've hit upon the biggest difference between North American and European bicycle commuters. Europeans just want to get to work, and they don't want to mess up their clothes on the way there, because they have no intention of changing clothes when they get to the office. That's why they ride bikes in an upright position, usually without helmets, with internally geared hubs and chain guards. North Americans, even when they're riding for utilitarian purposes, like going to work, still see bicycling as at least partly a sport. Many if not most NA commuters ride at least somewhat fast, have messy external drive trains, use clip-in pedals, get really sweaty, and change at work if they can. A lot of commuters here even wear Lycra, which you don't see very many Europeans doing (probably for good reason).
See, I would give anything to be able to commute on a Netherlands-style bike instead of my 21 speed Hybrid, but my entire commute is hilly, with two BIG hills involved, and I learned really quick that carting a 40 lb 3 speed bike up those hills is an exercise in futility. Also, my route is about 9.5 miles and I like to be in at work by 7:00. If I don't leave by 6:15 or 6:20, I won't make it by then, and I REALLY don't feel like waking up at 4:00 in the morning to tootle up and down hills at 5 mph while being hit with a -10*F wind...

That said, I ride in normal clothes (although I do change when I get to work - at least my outer clothes), don't wear a helmet, and just went one step more to superfred by adding North Roads handlebars on my bike.
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In the vids I've seen, they seem to noodle along at only 10-15 km/h. Going slow seems to be it.
I spent a little time cycling in the Netherlands. And I tended to blitz past most dutch cyclists. But they may have good reason. Have you ever ridden on a cobblestone bike path? It's kind of lumpy.
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Originally Posted by I_bRAD View Post
Maybe they sweat too, but don't get so worked up about it. In some places of the world, they're not afraid to be human!
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