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Test rode a Casseroll today. Here's what I learned.

Old 02-11-09, 06:26 PM
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Test rode a Casseroll today. Here's what I learned.

1) I hate road saddles (I have a brooks b17)

2) I hate small platform pedals (Grip kings)

3) I hate STIs. They're really fat and not ergonomical.

4) I don't like my handle bars low

5) Whatever bike I get MUST HAVE cross levers

6) I hate tires pumped to max pressure

7) I like fat tires

7) I have the perfect bike for me.

8) I crave comfort.

So from my experience, I learned nothing about the Casseroll frame. The guy working at the shop says he honestly does not feel a difference between the Cross Check (what I have) and the Casseroll. So much for that. But man, I love the paint job on them Salsas.
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Old 02-11-09, 06:36 PM
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Unless you have tiny hands or something, I can't imagine you'd hate STIs for long. I wasn't a huge fan on my test rides. After a day or two of real riding, nothing but love.

I thought the Casseroll and the Cross Check were very different rides. I didn't like either of them all that much, but for completely different reasons. I found the Cross Check a little heavy and dull feeling, while I thought the Casseroll was actually a little squirrelly. The 'roll geometry doesn't fit me all that well, so I don't think I'm a good judge for comparing. I don't like the triple on the complete anyway, and there are frames I prefer were I going to build something.

Both great bikes, of course. I see 'rolls around town and they always catch my eye.

Re: your #7(2) it's always great to have your love for your current bike reinforced, ain't it?
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Old 02-11-09, 07:02 PM
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Except for the STI rant, you are my kind of guy.

Ever see this?
http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/vbqindex.html
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um..... congratulations?
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Old 02-11-09, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ok_commuter View Post

Re: your #7(2) it's always great to have your love for your current bike reinforced, ain't it?
You said it

Now that I'm NOT getting another bike, I can't wait to get some sweet parts such as Grand Cru canti's from VO.
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Originally Posted by late View Post
Except for the STI rant, you are my kind of guy.

Ever see this?
http://www.vintagebicyclepress.com/vbqindex.html
Yes I have. I've thought of getting a lugged steel bike many a time. But not quite yet.
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I really thought you rode a tuna casseroll or something.

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Old 02-11-09, 09:21 PM
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How can you hate STI, unless you have really small hands. The hoods feel great, so much so that I actually set up a bike with STI and downtube shifters once.
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Its good that you know what you like and don't, and that you can get all those things on one test ride is pretty impressive.

The one comment I can make is that some of your assertions may be based on a cheap road saddle, middle of the road tires on factory built wheels, and overall a just a poorer fitting bike than your Cross Check. Just keep in mind that not all parts are created equal
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Old 02-12-09, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by fuzz2050 View Post
How can you hate STI, unless you have really small hands. The hoods feel great, so much so that I actually set up a bike with STI and downtube shifters once.
Small hands do in fact cause a big problem with STI. I can vouch. Though I will say, choice of handlebar affects things dramatically too. I'm trying to find a more friendly bar that doesn't slope so much in the drop region. As it is now, if I shift the mount point so I can reach the brake when in the drops, then the hoods are so far down they're not usable to ride on. Also, I don't like the feel of braking when on the hoods, not at all.

The shifting doesn't bother me, but I really don't like the braking. I'm thinking if the lever had more curve to it, it would be better for me, but there aren't enough models to choose from. So I'm thinking if I get a bike with downtube shifters sometime, I can try to find a model of brake lever that works better than the STI.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Underbridge View Post
As it is now, if I shift the mount point so I can reach the brake when in the drops, then the hoods are so far down they're not usable to ride on. Also, I don't like the feel of braking when on the hoods, not at all.
Why not just adjust the bike so that you can ride in the drops comfortably and be done with it?
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Originally Posted by JeffS View Post
Why not just adjust the bike so that you can ride in the drops comfortably and be done with it?
As I wrote originally, there's nothing to 'adjust' that will work, I've tried. For one, there's no place to anchor the brifters such that I can use them comfortably in both positions. For another, the shape of the brifter blade itself doesn't work with small hands when riding on the hoods.

I've been idly looking at replacement handlebars, as that might help. Other than that, the only alternative is to try something other than brifters. Certainly if anyone has any sage advice, I'm all ears.

It's not a major problem, I just spend 99% of my time in the drops and have the bike set up for that. I've bought cross levers to give me another (safe) hand position. But I think riding on the hoods is unfortunately out for me as of now.
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Old 02-13-09, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Underbridge View Post
As I wrote originally, there's nothing to 'adjust' that will work, I've tried. For one, there's no place to anchor the brifters such that I can use them comfortably in both positions. For another, the shape of the brifter blade itself doesn't work with small hands when riding on the hoods.

I've been idly looking at replacement handlebars, as that might help. Other than that, the only alternative is to try something other than brifters. Certainly if anyone has any sage advice, I'm all ears.

It's not a major problem, I just spend 99% of my time in the drops and have the bike set up for that. I've bought cross levers to give me another (safe) hand position. But I think riding on the hoods is unfortunately out for me as of now.
I could never figure out why Shimano puts reach adjustment screws on their low end STIs (Sora) but on the higher end models you have use these goofy blocks. It was also necessary for me to move the levers on the bars to I could work them from both the hoods and the drops.

For me STIs were an acquired taste as well. Many times I inadvertently squeezed the brake lever while trying to shift. It never caused a crash but it was annoying. I don't think it's a great design. Now I'm used to it and am happy with them overall. I do wonder if I'd like the dual paddle Nashbar brifters better though.

I actually like the large hoods. Far more comfy for my hands than the small hoods on the road brakes of yesteryear. It's also nice to have something substantial to grab when you need a little extra leverage.
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It's also nice to have something substantial to grab when you need a little extra leverage.
That's what she said.

Anyway.... I would do barend shifters and some smaller brake hoods/levers that fit your hands better.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Underbridge View Post
As I wrote originally, there's nothing to 'adjust' that will work, I've tried. For one, there's no place to anchor the brifters such that I can use them comfortably in both positions. For another, the shape of the brifter blade itself doesn't work with small hands when riding on the hoods.

I've been idly looking at replacement handlebars, as that might help. Other than that, the only alternative is to try something other than brifters. Certainly if anyone has any sage advice, I'm all ears.

It's not a major problem, I just spend 99% of my time in the drops and have the bike set up for that. I've bought cross levers to give me another (safe) hand position. But I think riding on the hoods is unfortunately out for me as of now.

You missed my point, but are doing what I was suggesting anyway.

I don't use the hoods either, but for different reasons. I ride in the drops, but with my arms bent which leaves my hoods too high and too far forward to use. Lower the bars (a lot) and shorten the stem so I can use the hoods and the drops are too far back. I don't care... I have no desire to make braking and shifting more difficult by trying to use the hoods anyway.
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