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Old 02-22-09, 03:06 PM
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barcons?

today I swapped the flat bar on my Scott SUB 30 for a drop bar. The stem was compatible, and i got the trigger shifters on the flats, for the time being. I'm still in shock.

I'm looking at those Dia Compe levers that work with V-brakes, but i need to work out the shifting issue.

I'm looking at barcon shifters, they seem simple and reliable. Unfortunatly, everything I've found online are $70-150 SRAM or Dura Ace barcons. That's overkill for this commuter/group ride bike, so i'm wondering if anybody knows where i can find some cheaper indexed barcons online?

thanks guys, and feel free to tell me if this is a terrible idea

edit: 24 speed, 3x8. I love leaving out vital information.

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Old 02-22-09, 03:16 PM
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I just got a brand new set of 8spd Shimano Bar-ends for about 50 bucks on ebay. Lately I've seen lots of SunTour, Shimano (more 9 and 10 than anything else), and even a few Campys. A little patience should turn some up without breaking the bank.
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I just got a brand new set of 8spd Shimano Bar-ends for about 50 bucks on ebay. Lately I've seen lots of SunTour, Shimano (more 9 and 10 than anything else), and even a few Campys. A little patience should turn some up without breaking the bank.
+1 on the above. Also, if you are willing to run in friction mode, a set of regualr old Suntour Barcons (friction only) will work very nicely up to 9 speeds.

Also, Tektro makes a brake lever equivalent of the Dia Compe 287 you mention. It is usually cheaper and more comfortable, IMHO. They have them on the Rivendell site. If they are too pricey there, just grab the model info and scan ebay.
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Old 02-22-09, 04:44 PM
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thanks for the other brake lever recomendation.

I might go to my LBS and see if they have some old Suntour Barcons laying around. Friction would kind of be a downgrade from my current set up, but then again, I do like the drop bars.
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Friction can be a downgrade in the sense of ease of operation vs. indexing. That said, it can also be an improvement in that it requires a bit less maintinence and is more forgiving when cables strech or get knocked around. I have found that using a friction shifter and modern deraileurs and chain works great. It is very reliable and allows you to use any shifter/deraileur combo you want, generally speaking.
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Old 02-22-09, 05:05 PM
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@fender1: that's true, and since that's going to be cheaper that's probably the route I'll take.

thanks for the heads up about those Tektro levers. $30.00 is not a bad deal at all.
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Originally Posted by fender1 View Post
Friction can be a downgrade in the sense of ease of operation vs. indexing. That said, it can also be an improvement in that it requires a bit less maintenance and is more forgiving when cables stretch or get knocked around. I have found that using a friction shifter and modern derailleurs and chain works great. It is very reliable and allows you to use any shifter/derailleur combo you want, generally speaking.
I've really started to dislike the 100% SIS of my '07 Sirrus because if it gets just a little out of adjustment it starts rubbing on the front derailleur. I miss having a friction mode that I can switch into to tweek the adjustment untill I can have the slop taken out of it.
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These are the best. Fully worth the 75 bucks.
http://www.rivbike.com/products/list...product=17-089
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my Dura-Ace barcons are in friction mode right now, i like it.
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I ordered THESE about a month ago and threw them on my touring bike. I can't say enough good things about them. They are top notch quality (as you would expect Ultegra level components to be), 8 speed so they'd work well with your drive train, etc... just get them. Don't ask questions.
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Friction can be a downgrade in the sense of ease of operation vs. indexing. That said, it can also be an improvement in that it requires a bit less maintinence and is more forgiving when cables strech or get knocked around. I have found that using a friction shifter and modern deraileurs and chain works great. It is very reliable and allows you to use any shifter/deraileur combo you want, generally speaking.
Have exactly this mix on a re-build/conversion of a 1985 C'Dale SR300 RB. It's a 1x8. I use a 48t Rocket Ring on the front w/an 8 sp 12x28 cassette on the rear. The shifter is an old Shimano friction type. Works very well. The rear der is a Tiagra rated @ 27t and I was 'just barely' able to adjust the 'B' screw out far enough to clear the 28th tooth.

BTW, www.bikeisland.com has a set of Tektro dual-pivot calipers, levers, cables AND housings(black) for 40.00 w/no shipping charge. I've got a set on my singlespeed. They work great and the hoods are very comfortable.
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I got some bar end shifter pods at Rivendell and put on some old Shimano downtube shifters on them. Great deal and they work perfectly. I have an indexed rear shifter, but prefer it in friction mode.
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I have found that using the Rivendell silver bar-end shifters, with an IRD freewheel (I like 7 Speed) and a modern Shimano deraileurs, I don't miss indexed shifting at all. I don't race, so the benfits of indexing are nominal for me.

The set up as desribed above has operated for thousands of miles, in all kinds of weather, with no issues or adjustments needed. Shifting is smooth, precise and quiet. Friction shifting is not for everyone but it is in no a way a "negative" IMHO.
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thanks for all the info everyone!
i'm seriously considering friction at this point, you all convinced me.
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I just got the ultegra bar end shifters. They are both friction and indexed for an 8 speed rear, but the front is friction only. I got them off ebay for 38 but I think they are around $50 in the states.
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Yup. I paid $56 for my Utegras ordering from Jenson.
I highly recommend them.
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I bought some Dura-Ace barcon shifters from pbk.com for about $50 recently, with free shipping to the USA. They also have D-A downtube shifters for about the same price. D-A barcons are supposedly the best, and can be operated in friction or index mode with a simple adjustment.

I'm still getting used to the barcons and not sure if I like them as well as DT shifters. Of course, I have used DT shifters for years so it might just be a matter of readjusting.
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I've been using the Ultegra barcons too, and they work great. However, as some others mentioned, you can (using friction) use the bar-end shifter mounts and different, older levers. Before using the Ultegras, I put an old set of Shimano 600 shifters on the bar-end shifter mounts and they worked as needed. The only downside for me was when the front shifter was pulled up to the big ring, the shifter would be maxed out above the bar, pointing at the sky. Took some getting used to so that I didn't bump it with my wrist.
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Originally Posted by Metricoclock View Post
my Dura-Ace barcons are in friction mode right now, i like it.
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D-A barcons on my Cross Check, and I haven't put them in indexed mode for at least 6 months. There's not much funnier than being out on a ride and running near-silent because you can trim your shifts, and getting passed by the guy on with Dura-Ace or SRAM Red grinding away his cassette because something's out of whack.
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