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I am surprised the firm does not specify travel modes during work to move from one location to another. If on the clock and an accident occurs, that would be a work related injury.
If in personal car, your insurance would be first to be files for PI, benefit to employer. If on bike not so clear cut. Nine or ten miles between job sites is a great deal more distance than some campus setting or downtown office groupings provide. Public transport with receipts is next best option IMHO, if you can take the bike with you all the better, provides different route for commute home. I am now curious if the employer requires the staff to have a car or valid drivers license as part of the job requirements. |
Originally Posted by genec
(Post 8461162)
Is there not wear and tear on a bike? That alone should justify some expense. I know I regularly buy tires and gloves... that wear out through use... I use lubricants on my bike that have to be replenished.
The only thing I don't do is use gasoline. But then neither do I cause the same wear on the roads, nor do I pollute. As far as "the time it took to get there... " perhaps the cyclist was able to get there sooner. I know in the past there have been commutes where I could easily arrive by bike faster than by car. So that issue may even be negligible. And what of the potential health benefits of regular exercise? Yeah, these are sticky areas... but the fact is that one should be compensated, just as a driver, for mileage done on work time. Of course there is some expense. I don't know what it is though, and I suspect the OP doesn't either. Businesses compensate expense at the rate the government tells them to. I think the OP's beef should be with the IRS for not providing a bicycle rate - not with his employer for refusing to compensate a bicycle for car expenses. |
Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
(Post 8461201)
...and they'd pay it, because per IRS regs, they can deduct those expenses. If they decide to reimburse for bike expenses, it's totally out of their pockets.
If you don't like it, see if you can get your congressperson to modify tax law so the company can get reimbursed for bike miles. |
I am not a tax accountant, but I think it comes down to what is taxable to the employer and employee...
Doesn't the IRS publish what the acceptable rate is for a means of transportation? If so, it is to simplify the book-keeping. Otherwise the company would need to publish (and update) their own policies, and be open to the challenges placed on them. I think a company could write off any amount for cars, as long as they met the proper guidelines, but it would be far more expensive to meet the guidelines than to just use those published by the IRS. Therefore, the same with a bicycle. They could reimburse you a reasonable amount. But if it was more than was reasonable for your actual expenses, then you would be liable for income taxes on the excess. How much of the amount paid is the excess? THERE is where the problem lies. If the company pays you 10 cents per mile to ride your bike, but it only costs you 5 cents per mile to ride your bike, then technically, there is a profit of 5 cents per mile that needs to be added to your net income. The IRS has all sorts of rules dealing with reimbursement, per diem while on travel (such as people that are on travel for too many days in a row etc.) and relocation... any money the company gives you that is not a direct reimbursement is income, and some of it that we would think is reimbursement is seen as income. It is silly, but it is the financial framework we all work under. It is not your company. |
Some years back I had an employer whose reimbursement policy read "for use of your car on company business". I asked our group comptroller if this excluded personal pickup trucks, vans, etc. He gave me a mean look and retorted "It means your vehicle!"
Based on his explanation, I charged them mileage every time I rode my bike from one facility to the other during the work day after that. tcs |
Originally Posted by tcs
(Post 8463153)
Some years back I had an employer whose reimbursement policy read "for use of your car on company business". I asked our group comptroller if this excluded personal pickup trucks, vans, etc. He gave me a mean look and retorted "It means your vehicle!"
Based on his explanation, I charged them mileage every time I rode my bike from one facility to the other during the work day after that. tcs |
Some of you are confusing the employer provided expense reimbursement with the IRS standard mileage deduction.
In either case, you cannot take a standard mileage deduction with a bicycle. As brown bat says, you're making this more difficult than need be. Please don't shoot the messenger.. IRS Publication 463, Per Diem and Car Allowances |
Originally Posted by Caspar_s
(Post 8461031)
Who cares why the policy is there. Employees are paid for travelling from one location to another at a set rate. Does this mean someone driving a hummer gets upset because the rate doesn't come close to covering his cost? Does it mean the owner of a hybrid is committing fraud because he is getting more money than he actually uses? If a group have to go and they car pool does just the owner get reimbursed? So they are encouraging people to travel by themselves in a car.
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Originally Posted by devildogmech
(Post 8463483)
my buddy got into big trouble, when he claimed mileage when he carpooled with me
It's an easy solution for the company who would otherwise need to maintain a fleet of their own vehicles for staff to use while on the job. It's not a personal pay bonus for travelling between sites. Jesus. |
Originally Posted by Caspar_s
(Post 8461031)
So they are encouraging people to travel by themselves in a car.
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Love it... FWIW the reimbursement is a COMPANY policy. No law that I am aware of says they have to reimburse you squat. So it will need to be taken up with YOUR company. FWIW my company has a sliding scale based on the average mileage of the vehicle, divided into the cost of fuel, plus a few cents for maintenance.
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It's amazing to me how many people on this thread are engaged in clear tax fraud. I'd always heard "everyone cheats" but didn't believe it. I have never knowingly put anything false on a tax return, but I guess it's not that uncommon.
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You can play their game and use a taxi to get from building to building while on the clock.
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
(Post 8465795)
It's amazing to me how many people on this thread are engaged in clear tax fraud. I'd always heard "everyone cheats" but didn't believe it. I have never knowingly put anything false on a tax return, but I guess it's not that uncommon.
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