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brockd15 03-28-09 09:41 PM

For those that count calories, have you found that you eat out less often, if for no other reason than because you don't know the number of calories you have when you go out, so you can't track them as easily as you can in a "controlled environment" at home?

DataJunkie 03-28-09 10:33 PM

Yes. That and the shear number of calories you consume when eating out is insane.

kjmillig 03-28-09 11:33 PM

Thanks for all the great advice. I guess I left out some info. The last time I got weighed I was about 220 lbs at 5'9", but haven't stepped on a scale in about 5 weeks. I just know my clothes haven't gotten any loser. I've been working in Taiwan since the beginning of February, hence way more vegetables and less meat. Colas are going to hard to kick since I've been drinking them for so long, though I could try diet cola if I can find it. I could substitute juice, I don't drink teas, and only drinking water just tastes blah to me.
I don't ride on Sat. or Sun.
I can easily lengthen my ride and will map out a few possibilities. Eating more, nor problem. Eating more of the right things, do-able but not easily. I'll keep working.
Thanks for the encouragement!

blueeyedme 03-29-09 06:38 AM

Keep it up man!! I started commuting 16 miles each way 3 days a week last summer - but my scale did not move until a 6 weeks ago when I took control of my intake. There are several great sites out there to help you with this - personally, I am using sparkpeople.com and am dropping 1-2 lbs per week. I log all my exercise and everything I eat or drink. Not on any weird diet or anything but logging everything really helps me to make good choices.

gamecat 03-29-09 07:54 AM

Don't be discouraged. If you're not doing an intensive program, your progress will be slow--but slow isn't always bad. Slow is still real.

On the soda--I'd see if you cant find some kind of iced tea you like. There's more out there than the garden variety liptons.

Paradise iced tea is naturally slightly sweet w/o any sweeteners

Tejava is slightly tangy and astringent and is like crack to me

Diet Arizona Green tea w/Ginseng (uses splenda -- I go for the regular stuff myself but I haven't noticed much of a taste difference so they did a good job w/the formulation)

I'm not sure what kind of food you cook at home (or is Taiwan an indefinite stay?), but olive oil > butter. As much as I love the Julia Child "throw a stick of butter in the pan" approach, it's not exactly the road to wellness. To that end, I'll shill for a couple of my favorite cookbooks, by Kleinman & LaPlace, as I think variety is helpful when trying to stay within a diet. These are not diet cookbooks, but the cuisine is (mostly) naturally healthy (avoiding the obvious exceptions) or can be adapted.

Cucina Rustica: Simple, Irresistible Recipes in the Rustic Italian Style

Cucina Fresca: Italian Food, Simply Prepared (fast meals)

VERDURA: Vegetables Italian Style

I'm leaving out the pasta book, as I assume massive carbo loads are not the order of the day.

Good luck! Just keep going, you'll get there eventually. (That applies to both weight loss and riding roadsters, btw.)

Torrilin 03-30-09 05:29 AM

Juice is good for you, but it isn't low calorie. And some juices are better than others... you see white grape juice in a lot of blended juices because it is very sweet and has few nutrients. Natural sugar water. Apple juice is often used in the same way. Orange juice doesn't, and is not *so* bad for you.

Water with a bit of lemon or ginger can be nice. Teas can taste very different... a lot of folks like green teas even if they don't like black tea. (me, I like black...) There are also herb teas, like mint and chamomile. Try a few different things to see if something works.

baron von trail 03-30-09 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by DataJunkie (Post 8620341)
Yes. That and the shear number of calories you consume when eating out is insane.

Man, that is not overstating the situation in the least.

Visiting the folks, in another state, a few weeks ago, we all went out to eat at a nice Italian joint. Several of us ordered the lasagna. When the meals arrived, our eyes just about popped out of our heads. Each plate was packed so full, they must have weighed 5 lbs. Six of us could have shared two plates and still walked away full.

It really was insane to see how much food they piled on our plates. No wonder everyone is getting so darned fat.

brockd15 03-30-09 07:33 AM


Originally Posted by baron von trail (Post 8627070)
Man, that is not overstating the situation in the least.

Visiting the folks, in another state, a few weeks ago, we all went out to eat at a nice Italian joint. Several of us ordered the lasagna. When the meals arrived, our eyes just about popped out of our heads. Each plate was packed so full, they must have weighed 5 lbs. Six of us could have shared two plates and still walked away full.

It really was insane to see how much food they piled on our plates. No wonder everyone is getting so darned fat.

Makes you think twice about what you order when some of the "light" menu items I've seen at some places still have over 700 calories.

rumrunn6 03-30-09 07:45 AM

Chicken Caesar salad is the way to go. Lasagna is for people under the age of 30.

lambo_vt 03-30-09 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by rumrunn6 (Post 8627232)
Chicken Caesar salad is the way to go. Lasagna is for people under the age of 30.

Just don't fall into the "salad = healthy" mindset. Many entree-sized salads as prepared at lots of restaurants can easily be nearly 1,000 calories. Most dressings are awful for you, so get it on the side.

DataJunkie 03-30-09 08:20 AM

You could try and find a salad buffet restaurant like souper salad or sweet tomatoes.
I am a vegetarian and love those places.
However, you still need to watch how much you eat and what you put on your plate. One can still overeat.
If you do it right you can fill up on salads with small amounts of dressing and then grab a couple small items as a treat.
I refuse to eat 100% healthy. If I do not have a treat every so often the cravings grow and grow until I binge with something that is terrible for me.
Then remember the good fats.
Researching what foods are healthy can be amusing if you like that sort of thing.

baron von trail 03-30-09 08:40 AM

+1 on eating healthy fats.

I've been on a roll lately, losing poundage like it's out of style. I credit all of it to taking in more of these healthy fats, which help keep me away from the junk food (burgers and fries from the FF joints).

These days my primary fat sources have been avacado, coconut oil and raw cacao butter. Salad dressings are always olive oil and liquid amino acid (Braggs).

noglider 03-30-09 08:47 AM

Six weeks isn't a long time. In a few months, you'll develop some muscle tone, and the legs will stop hurting.

Maybe you should try going as fast as you can every other day. If you can improve your times, that will be a good thing. And if not, it will at least be amusing.

For drinks, try various types of Chinese tea which have no sugar yet are flavorful. They're pretty much calorie-free. Remember, it takes a long time to acquire a taste for a new beverage, so don't discard a flavor after just one drink. Also, try diluted fruit juice. Regular strength fruit juice has tons of sugar. Yes, it has nutrition, but the sugar is a lot. Man isn't meant to drink a ton of juice a day.

DataJunkie 03-30-09 09:03 AM

It took me about 4 years to drop from 210 to 150. I am 5'9" tall as well.

Weight loss is more sustainable if you think of it in the long term and adopt a bit of patience. At least that worked for me. I still tend to freak out when my scale jumps 5 lbs in a week but that is more of a mental thing.

sourdoughT 03-30-09 09:55 AM

When my old job went away I decided to ride my bike to the next job I'd get, that was Dec 2007. It's now been well over a year and I've lost 25 lbs since then and I'm still looking at this long term, change wise, because that is what it is.
Now because of this thread and wanting to further my nutrition education to be in better shape, I can look at those sites and others and find what will work for me in my quest for better fitness.

baron von trail 03-30-09 10:20 AM

+1 on trying to use this forum as a way to stay motivated. A year ago, I was fit as a fiddle, and I was not visiting the forum at all. Then I tweaked my back, and then winter came, and then I started eating crap, and then I gained about 20 lbs. Now, I am trying to reverse the slide, hopping on the forum most every day.

Through it all (winter, back pain, weight gain), I have managed to keep riding. So, even though I am a good 20 lbs overweight, I never get tired legs anymore. In fact, it has been so long since my legs hurt, that I do not even remember what tired legs feel like. I get winded long before my legs peter out.

noglider 03-30-09 10:23 AM

Me too. I've been cycling all my life. I am not all that fit overall, but I have gigantic hips and thighs which maintain their tone even when I don't ride. I always, always, always climb stairs two at a time. The muscle tone is such that it feels GOOD to pedal hard, better than not doing anything at all. So that's a goal to reach for. I should say the same to myself for working out my upper body. I am a super weakling above the hips.


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