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Originally Posted by crhilton
I've been told, rather angrily, that it's only assault if they kill you. Err, actually I think we came to the conclusion that they have to have a weapon in hand. I think it's harassment. It's definitely road rage.
Assault with a deadly weapon requires a weapon (technically, Woody Allen's soap gub would suffice, but it can be a stick, fist, tire iron, car). Assault does not require you fear for your life; sufficient that you fear for your health or safety. If they kill you, it's not assault; it's murder, manslaughter, reckless homicide, of the intentional or unintentional variety. |
Just a thought.. she passed crossing a double yellow. I may be mistaken, but in all 50 states that's illegal. Not like she's then one justified to complain.
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Originally Posted by CCrew
(Post 8848547)
Just a thought.. she passed crossing a double yellow. I may be mistaken, but in all 50 states that's illegal. Not like she's then one justified to complain.
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Originally Posted by degnaw
(Post 8848613)
I sure hope you're mistaken, because I'd much rather have a driver cross a double yellow while passing than not. (I don't typically ride on multi-lane arterials or shouldered roads)
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At the end it sounded like the guy said, "This ain't f#@! India. Do you what you gotta do --" before the video cut out. He was pointing toward the sidewalk, so I presume he is trying to say that cyclists should stick to the sidewalk ("do what you gotta do" on the sidewalk)?
What a bunch of tards. If it was me I probably would have put a foot into the side of their car when that lady said, "You're not a f#!@ car." Probably not the smartest thing to do, but I got real pissed off myself even watching the video. |
after much reasoned thought, I've come up with my stock answer to the "you're not a car" accusation...
the conversation would go like this: "you're not a car." Me: "Correct! But you ARE a ******bag..." I like to watch their faces twist as it sinks in... |
Originally Posted by aaronechang
(Post 8848762)
At the end it sounded like the guy said, "This ain't f#@! India. Do you what you gotta do --" before the video cut out. He was pointing toward the sidewalk, so I presume he is trying to say that cyclists should stick to the sidewalk ("do what you gotta do" on the sidewalk)?
What a bunch of tards. If it was me I probably would have put a foot into the side of their car when that lady said, "You're not a f#!@ car." Probably not the smartest thing to do, but I got real pissed off myself even watching the video. |
The funny thing is that the 2 tards in the car were probably slowed down for about 5-10 secs. by the OP but easily wasted at least 5 mins. by stopping, getting out of the car, and yelling something unintelligible.
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Originally Posted by aaronechang
(Post 8848762)
If it was me I probably would have put a foot into the side of their car when that lady said, "You're not a f#!@ car."
Shoot, you had enough time to say "Sober up you ugly C" with a huge smile on your face, like she was a source of humor for you too. Keep that in mind. Then you will always have something to say 50 percent of the time at least! Enjoy! PS: You remind me of a story from long ago when I was in college. Same sort of scenario with a bud of mine who was a serious action freak and a rugby player on the Louisiana state rugby team. The boyfriend jumps out of the car, and while my friend is beating him silly, the woman is screaming and cussing him. He turns to the gal and says "Shut up and wait your turn." What a nice fantasy for your altercation. |
Originally Posted by JoeyBike
(Post 8848977)
I am telling the truth here. Ask any female. With her window rolled down she is a prime candidate for the "C" word preceded by "stoopid" or "ugly" or "effing". Those two words will make her cry more than if you beat up her car with a sledgehammer and an axe then set it on fire. I can say those words with complete disdain too, and not a trace of hostility in my voice. Better than a jack-boot to her face.
Shoot, you had enough time to say "Sober up you ugly C" with a huge smile on your face, like she was a source of humor for you too. Keep that in mind. Then you will always have something to say 50 percent of the time at least! Enjoy! PS: You remind me of a story from long ago when I was in college. Same sort of scenario with a bud of mine who was a serious action freak and a rugby player on the Louisiana state rugby team. The boyfriend jumps out of the car, and while my friend is beating him silly, the woman is screaming and cussing him. He turns to the gal and says "Shut up and wait your turn." What a nice fantasy for your altercation. |
The San Francisco Bicycle Coalition distributes printed sheets that cite the section of the California Vehicle Code that provides that bikes are to ride on the road and are entitled to take the lane. The theory is that some people just need to be educated about how bikes are permitted and required to behave on the roads. Not that the idiot driver in your video was in the mood to be educated, but some people get angry at bikes because they think bikes are behaving illegally, and some of those angry people calm down a bit when they realize that the cyclist was doing what he or she was supposed to do.
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They could still be guilty of aggressive driving, and your state might have a 3 foot passing rule. At the very least, it would be worth the effort for the woman to understand that bikes have the same right to the road as motorized vehicles. If it was me, I wouldn't have asked "what is the problem?" because we all know what her (and her boyfriend's) problem is, they think cars have an inalienable right to the road.
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Oh, and by the way, now I'm buying an Air Zound. I've thought about it for the past year, this decides it. Next year, helmet cam.
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Dont know about Illinois, but CA has some severe penalties for road rage. If a motorist gets that on his record, he can kiss his insurance goodbye. I thought the OP maintained his composure well, which would be important if he wanted to present the video to the fuzz.
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One of my favorite comebacks goes along the lines of: "Let's call the police and you can tell them about how I should be riding illegally on the sidewalk and I'll tell them how you are trying to take the law into your own hands and we'll see who goes off to jail." They will always back down.
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You looked like you were wandering into the middle of the lane unnecessarily. Plus you were approaching a dangerous change in lane line painting. You would have done better to have been in a lower gear so that you were cycling straighter and more predictable. Also, confronting a woman driver with a male passenger is dangerous because you invoke the testosterone protection mechanism. Remember drivers blow their horn at each other all the time - for good and also unjustified reasons - you don't see everyone yelling at each other and getting out of the car to confront each other. You gotta learn to chill out and just take the horns as they come. Why are you riding with a helmet cam anyway?
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 8850452)
You looked like you were wandering into the middle of the lane unnecessarily.
Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 8850452)
You would have done better to have been in a lower gear so that you were cycling straighter and more predictable.
Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 8850452)
Also, confronting a woman driver with a male passenger is dangerous because you invoke the testosterone protection mechanism. Remember drivers blow their horn at each other all the time - for good and also unjustified reasons - you don't see everyone yelling at each other and getting out of the car to confront each other. You gotta learn to chill out and just take the horns as they come.
Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 8850452)
Why are you riding with a helmet cam anyway?
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Honestly, he sounds like a passive aggressive pu**y looking for trouble. Driving up to her open window to confront her was not responsible. They blew their horn. So what? Move on. Look at his video again and listen to his breathing. He was far from the shoulder and struggling.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 8850510)
Honestly, he sounds like a passive aggressive pu**y looking for trouble.
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Sorry, I call 'em like I see 'em.
I think The Duke said that in one of his movies. |
Originally Posted by analoguekid
(Post 8848806)
after much reasoned thought, I've come up with my stock answer to the "you're not a car" accusation...
the conversation would go like this: "you're not a car." Me: "Correct! But you ARE a ******bag..." I like to watch their faces twist as it sinks in... Me; "You're not a car either! :D" |
Originally Posted by CCrew
(Post 8848547)
Just a thought.. she passed crossing a double yellow. I may be mistaken, but in all 50 states that's illegal. Not like she's then one justified to complain.
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which ever side the soild yellow stripe is on means you cant cross the middle from that side. No matter what you are passing from a donkey to a bike to a car, cant cross the soild yellow.
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I think you misread the situation. She was behind you when she honked, so maybe she just liked what she saw?
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Originally Posted by onnestabe
(Post 8852591)
I think you misread the situation. She was behind you when she honked, so maybe she just liked what she saw?
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