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Old 05-06-09, 08:48 PM
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approaching a very long steep hill with a traffic light at the bottom, two lanes one must turn left, the other right lane must go straight, cars waiting in left lane, right lane open with red light, I approach concentrating on my pacing and I know I can run this light because there is no street to the right and I've never seen any cars approach from the left to go up the hill on my side, anyway an SUV scoots in around me and puposely cuts way over to block me, he rushed to get to this red light and almost hit me to pass me and slip in front, so me, not wanting to stop at the base of this hill because of this clown ride up on his left and shout: "I need more room that that!" and proceed to pass in front of him since he was still stopped at the light, except as I was passig him, the light turned green, he then had to wait for me to pass back over to the right shoulder where he had tried to keep me from, before he can pass me, BTW: he had plenty of room on his left side within the lane and there was absolutely no need for him to cut over into the shoulder where I was traveling, so anyway he passes me and starts yelling, then I start yelling: "3 feet" "I need 3 feet" he yells: "did you actually cut me off with s bicycle?" and I shout: "you cut me off", then he shouts an insult and I shout the same insult back and he takes off up the hill. YUK

The only good thing to come out of it was the andrenaline rush which helped me climb the big long hill.

In hind-sight should I have stopped when he cut me off? Should I get a t-shirt with big words that read: "3 FEET, IT'S THE LAW"
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You could take your own advice from the "Sunday's incident" thread and chill out. Or not, and have a running argument with a driver that obviously doesn't respect your presence on the road. Sort of like that stupid c**t that honked and tried to intimidate a cyclist that had taken the lane. And unless your a bicycle cop wearing that t-shirt, I'm pretty sure it's gonna do jack.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
... I know I can run this light...
?- What does that mean? Does that mean run the red light? Not that I'm looking to justify his cutting you off- which it sounds like he did- but I'm curious were you racing to take advantage of the downhill momentum to make it up the steep hill and intended to run the red light to do so?

If so, it's a risky move, it is illegal to run it and the driver's expectation might be that you would stop. If you're going to run the light I think you have to be prepared to accept any consequences of said action- including driver confusion and any resultant conflict.

Basically, sounds like you need to own up to some of the responsibility here if you were aiming to run a red and got cut off in the process. Again, he might have cut you off even if the light were green- maybe even more definitely because he would have been racing to make the light, too- so you got caught in a jam with a JAM, which often turns the legs to jelly.
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I'm not much for confrontations because no matter who is right (normally it's the cyclist), one person is driving a 2,000+ pound vehicle and they are utterly and entirely convinced they have a supreme right to the road.

But it is funny, I bet that guy won't be able to get it up for a week after being passed by a bike. I just hope he isn't as big a jerk to the next cyclist, but we all know what will happen there...........he'll probably be worse to the next guy, who had no intention of blowing through a red light at top speed.

As far as 3 feet goes, like I said in an earlier post, I bought a huge cheapo moped mirror from Walmart and put it at the furthermost end on the left side of my handlebar. It's gigantic and easily seen by cars behind me. If anybody passes too close I'll just lose an easily replaced side mirror and some skin on my knee, they'll lose an expensive side mirror, use of their precious automobile for a couple of days, and any goodwill they might have had with their insurance company. And if your state has a 3 foot rule, they should get a ticket for that and inattentive/aggressive driving.

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it is so stupid tp pass a bike right before a light or a stop. never figured it out. even if your going to the speed limit drivers feel a need to pass even fi they have to cross a double yellow line and speed to do it. they just can't let a bike beat them to a light or stop sign.
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You started a yelling match because you didn't get to run a red light easily? You are part of the problem.
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I was going uphill at less than 1 mph.
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Originally Posted by subclavius View Post
I'm not much for confrontations because no matter who is right (normally it's the cyclist), one person is driving a 2,000+ pound vehicle and they are utterly and entirely convinced they have a supreme right to the road.
BINGO! +1000 No matter who is right, the cyclist always loses.

When I have confrontations, it is when the motorist is stopped or out of the car... and I explain it to them as calmly as I can. Not that I haven't had shouting match or two... but in the end, the cyclist never wins.
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It sounds to me like he said he knew that if he timed it right, he'd hit the light on the green, but the SUV raced around him, cut him off, then had to stop at the red because he got there faster. The OP then arrived at the light as he intended, just as it turned green, and went through the light and around the SUV.
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re: "It sounds to me like he said he knew that if he timed it right, he'd hit the light on the green, but the SUV raced around him, cut him off, then had to stop at the red because he got there faster. The OP then arrived at the light as he intended, just as it turned green, and went through the light and around the SUV."

That is correct.
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I'm going to start anew thread: "snappy comebacks" because I did not like that I repeated his insult back to him - too juvenile.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
I'm going to start anew thread: "snappy comebacks" because I did not like that I repeated his insult back to him - too juvenile.
Oh please do !

I'll contribute because I'm naturally witty.
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knock yourself out - it's up :-)
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2 tons of automobile is the law


please get over yourself. WHY are you speeding up to a red light ?
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2 tons of automobile is the law


please get over yourself. WHY are you speeding up to a red light ?
So, if I carry a 44 Magnum, I then become "the law"?
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re: "get over yourself"

would love to - am trying

re: "why were you speeding up to a red light"

I wasn't, read again, the cager was. I was crawling toward it in the shoulder. The cager wizzed by then darted in front of me to force me off the road or stop me. He did this intentionally and deserved a punch in the head without words.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
Should I get a t-shirt with big words that read: "3 FEET, IT'S THE LAW"
Should he get a bumper sticker with big words that read : "RED LIGHTS APPLY TO BICYCLES TOO, IT'S THE LAW

I say get over it. You were both in a hurry and both intended to flaunt the rules of the road.
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
I was going uphill at less than 1 mph.
rumrun- where was this?
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Buzzman: Framingham, I think. I commute Northerly from Natick to Maynard through Framingham.

Intersection of: Concord, Central & Elm where the yellow Concord turns to white Elm on the google map.

This is just North of the intersection Concord Street and School Street where 126 turns right. This is all near Winch Park and Danforth St. Playground.


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Buzzman: Framingham, I think. I commute Northerly from Natick to Maynard through Framingham.

Intersection of: Concord, Central & Elm where the yellow Concord turns to white Elm on the google map.

This is just North of the intersection Concord Street and School Street where 126 turns right. This is all near Winch Park and Danforth St. Playground.

ah, thanks. Your description makes better sense to me now. yeah, the driver was being a jerk. A lot of times it's unintentional but it's still annoying because they're so unconscious of the guy on the bike.

I'm a Marxist about these things (Groucho): Time wounds all heels.
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Every time I have an incident - not just a confrontation (which are very rare for me), I review the road section and what I did (how I rode) and consider other options that would be safer or smarter. That's the benefit of riding the same route over and over - you get an intimate knowledge of the tricky spots and potential "kill zones". I was thinking I might have had better luck taking the lane but I'm not sure. That clown might have tried the same thing but actually hit me. He totally came out of nowhere and I had never had any issues with my riding at that intersection before.

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That's an excellent practice, but sometimes, it's just the driver and not the intersection. What's the likelihood of that happening again? It may be similar to that of lightning striking twice.
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Originally Posted by steveknight View Post
it is so stupid tp pass a bike right before a light or a stop. never figured it out. even if your going to the speed limit drivers feel a need to pass even fi they have to cross a double yellow line and speed to do it. they just can't let a bike beat them to a light or stop sign.
I've had this happen in the neighborhood streets - I'll be 100-150 feet from the stop sign, yet some one in a car will drive along and actually be in the OTHER lane at the stop sign because they were in a "hurry". I kind of laugh at it, but I'm very cautious when it happens, cause you never know what someone else would do if they were going to turn into that lane...
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