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Old 07-27-09, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by wickedcold View Post
You should only be scared if you are the type of person who goes around kicking people in the ribs when they're minding their own business.
Or riding down the same bike path when one guy decides to fire his gun at someone else. Sheesh, is this so hard to understand?
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Old 07-27-09, 11:56 AM
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get off my trail! i want to get home from work alive...
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Old 07-30-09, 06:44 PM
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http://timesherald.com/articles/2009...6876152789.txt

Ha. Obviously the kids had an agenda.
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Old 07-30-09, 07:04 PM
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“Based on all the information available to us now, it appears that under the circumstances his actions were reasonable,” Ferman said.
What a change of heart by the DA.
And DePaul caused the arrest of a major bicycle thief.
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From http://timesherald.com/articles/2009...6876152789.txt
DePaul admitted that he drew his Keltec .380 caliber handgun and fired six shots in the direction of the teen who had kicked him.
SIX SHOTS?!? That seems somewhat excessive to me. I bet from a legal standpoint the shooter is grateful none of them actually hit the hoodlum, otherwise...
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Old 07-30-09, 09:14 PM
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I sympathize with the shooter and hope his charges will be minimized.
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Originally Posted by mjw16 View Post
Given his statement, the fact that he was armed and riding on a known dangerous part of the trail, my guess is that this will prove to be a case of vigilantism, a guy with a big hammer looking for a nail. Well, he found one and may be punished accordingly as a result.
If he was looking for trouble he'd have had the gun more accessible, pulled, and fired sooner. Then he wouldn't be in jail and we'd most likely have one less stupid punk in the world.
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Old 07-31-09, 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
What a change of heart by the DA.
And DePaul caused the arrest of a major bicycle thief.
Looks like he's still going to be charged with something, just not attempted murder.

Although the article is kind of unclear on this point.

But anyone who fires 6 shots from a pistol at a range of 250-300 feet shouldn't be allowed to carry.
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Old 07-31-09, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by goldfishin View Post
considering he was just attacked in a manner that could have lead to serious injury and did not know of the kids would be comming around for another round, as he may have thought they would have due to past experience, you could consider his action defensive.
But when the assailant has ended the attack and fleeing it is not legal (in civilized jurisdictions) to continue the action when you make the transition from the defensive to the offensive. Self-defence does not mean carrying out 'street justice.'

I wish to hell everyone would stop with the Steven Seagal fantasies and use their heads for once.
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Not only was the guy exercising poor judgement by carrying a gun, he also proved to be inept in his firearm handling and self defense skills. If you manage to set aside the Dirty Harry-ish bravado of the pro-gun right, and self defense BS, this guy was clearly more of a menace to innocent bystanders (sending 6 bullets downrange and unaccounted for) than the teens who merely kicked him and then fled. I think: "how safe would I feel with this loser out there trying to empty his clip at fleeing teens" v. some kids who take a swing at you then run? I don't have to think too hard about that one. Guns kill people (a kick to the side, obviously, has a much less lethal effect) and should continue to be stritcly and rigorously controlled.
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Originally Posted by alhedges View Post
Looks like he's still going to be charged with something, just not attempted murder.

Although the article is kind of unclear on this point.
The DA was unclear on the point because the DA is quite willing to placate the anti-gun crowd by letting them think he will still be charged "with something".

But with the DA openly saying “Based on all the information available to us now, it appears that under the circumstances his actions were reasonable,” what do you really think they can charge him with?
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Originally Posted by mjw16 View Post
Guns kill people (a kick to the side, obviously, has a much less lethal effect) and should continue to be stritcly and rigorously controlled.
And I always thought it was people that were evil and killed people. Now you tell me it is things like guns, knives, planes, bikes and cars that are evil and kill people.

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Old 08-02-09, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by cc700 View Post
apart from the anarchist sentiment in this thread, i think the kids should be jailed as well as the bicyclist.

police presence will have the most collateral damage but at least kids won't get shot at for making one bad choice.

You really think thats all it was. Just a momentary lapse in judgement on their part. Really, they are good kids.

What if it had been your wife or your mother?

I'm sure that the cyclist overreacted, and stepped things up a bit more than what was warranted, but you can be sure that it wasn't one bad choice. When "kids" start running in packs, whether they are organized gangs or not, and resort to violence for entertainment, there is a serious problem, that requires serious solutions, that the public as a whole are not prepared for.
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Old 08-02-09, 02:57 PM
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And I always thought it was people that were evil and killed people. Now you tell me it is things like guns, knives, planes, bikes and cars that are evil and kill people.
Guns are inherently dangerous, they were conceived as weapons-to kill. In addition, they continue to become increasingly lethal, whereas, car makers, on the other hand, continually strive to design an ever safer product. So, no, they are not equally "evil" in their purpose. To compare the two is a logical fallacy, one that pro-gun leaning people love to use. One could apply the same argument to any object: the fact is, people are increasingly able and likely to kill another person with a firearm than other objects. People are much less likely to attempt (and succeed) in killing another with more intimate, close-range objects: hands, bats, etc.

This guy should consider himself lucky that he was such a poor shot. Had he hit/killed one of them, he'd be sitting in a jail cell and come to regret his role in the death of a child that didn't have to occur.
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Old 08-04-09, 06:18 PM
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Don't draw unless you intend to fire, and don't fire at anything you don't plan on killing. Bullets are not for "stopping" or "warning."

whereas, car makers, on the other hand, continually strive to design an ever safer product.
Depends on which end you're looking at, monkey boy! Both firearms and cars have become more and more safe for the USERS. Neither is terribly safe for people facing the business end. Airbags only deploy one way. And I would much rather get hit with a Model T at 20 MPH than a modern SUV at 65. I'd rather be *shot* than get hit by an SUV at speed. I would at least stand a chance with the bullet.

If you weed out the suicides, firearms kill far fewer people than cars in this country. And they don't replace whole ecosystems with permanent asphalt hells.

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Originally Posted by mjw16 View Post
Guns are inherently dangerous, they were conceived as weapons-to kill. In addition, they continue to become increasingly lethal, whereas, car makers, on the other hand, continually strive to design an ever safer product. So, no, they are not equally "evil" in their purpose. To compare the two is a logical fallacy, one that pro-gun leaning people love to use. One could apply the same argument to any object: the fact is, people are increasingly able and likely to kill another person with a firearm than other objects. People are much less likely to attempt (and succeed) in killing another with more intimate, close-range objects: hands, bats, etc.

This guy should consider himself lucky that he was such a poor shot. Had he hit/killed one of them, he'd be sitting in a jail cell and come to regret his role in the death of a child that didn't have to occur.
You are really full of that anti-gun BS.

How many people die from guns each year and how many die from motor vehicles each year?
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Too bad he missed, or is such a good shot. . .

I think hitting those kids would have been a net gain to society.
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If the guy was a previous victim of violence and obviously felt repeatedly threatened by the "youts", I can only imagine he was so fight or flight pumped that it didn't even register that he fired 6x until after a few moments.

So a couple things come to mind, he refrained from using the gun right off, which showed some restraint on intent. He tried to remove himself from the situation and was caught from behind. And only then did he pull the gun...which certainly would seem to be self defense at that point. The only thing that was excessive was popping off 6, but again you could attribute that to adrenaline.
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If the guy was a previous victim of violence and obviously felt repeatedly threatened by the "youts", I can only imagine he was so fight or flight pumped that it didn't even register that he fired 6x until after a few moments.

So a couple things come to mind, he refrained from using the gun right off, which showed some restraint on intent. He tried to remove himself from the situation and was caught from behind. And only then did he pull the gun...which certainly would seem to be self defense at that point. The only thing that was excessive was popping off 6, but again you could attribute that to adrenaline.
Very true, since many HIGHLY trained cops have fired their entire clip and when asked how many shoots they fired, the response is often a couple of rounds. These cops are amazed to see their dash cam video showing them shooting 8 or 9 rounds.
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You are really full of that anti-gun BS.
You're right, I'll do my best to change my thinking to be more in line with the pro-gun, Dirty Harry, fear mongoring, statistically ignorant, vigilante, fantasy shootout scenario bs. Is that better?
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wow, what a dangerous overreaction by the cyclist. I hope he does jail time for being stupid. If he wanted to get back at the punks for accosting him, call the cops on your phone. Or give them back what they gave you. Someone kicks you and you shoot at them? Holy crap...
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wow, what a dangerous overreaction by the cyclist. I hope he does jail time for being stupid. If he wanted to get back at the punks for accosting him, call the cops on your phone. Or give them back what they gave you. Someone kicks you and you shoot at them? Holy crap...
Well said. I think that's one of the more sensible reactions to this incident. It's amazing how many advocate a more violant response.
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Someone kicks you and you shoot at them? Holy crap...
No, ******. A group of thugs assault you, and you shoot at them. Why is that so freaking hard to understand. Even the DA seems to have gotten it right.

You are so willing to condemn his retaliation, and yet say nothing about thugs roaming freely, and feeling perfectly comfortable in assaulting people. You are at fault there. Your attitude is what enables that to be commonplace, as opposed to a rare occurrence.

There are some very simple rules at work here. Some people only respond to consequences, or the threat of consequences. Without those consequences, their behavior typically deteriorates to unbelievable levels.
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Originally Posted by habernac View Post
wow, what a dangerous overreaction by the cyclist. I hope he does jail time for being stupid. If he wanted to get back at the punks for accosting him, call the cops on your phone. Or give them back what they gave you. Someone kicks you and you shoot at them? Holy crap...
That really worked well, considering the police had a stack of reports about such problems on the bike path. The cops did not get off their butts until shoots got fired, and then they went after the victim.
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