Building a commuter bike...
I have a cheap/crappy Magna mountain bike and I'm looking to make this my commuter project bike. I do not know too much about bikes since I just recently started riding, but thought if I worked on making this one better over time, I'd learn a lot about them along the way :] Now the problem is, I have no idea where to start.
My commute is only 6 miles each way on rough urban roads. There is only one little stretch on a bike path that's smooth. The rest of the ride is dodging sewer drain drops and other random road debris. Please help me learn the ways! Thanks! |
fat tires would be good. probably 32/35, or smaller if the frame won't fit them. since it's 6 miles and i assume you want to do it cheaply, you might think about ss. it will also be low maintenance. but if the geary bits on the bike now work fine i'd stick with those.
a rack might be good depending on how much stuff you have and whether or not you can stand wearing a backpack/mess bag. also think about fenders edit: probably 26" wheels, so probably 26x1.5" will work good and still roll fast |
Awesome! Thanks for your help. I don't have too much to carry, and usually keep clothes at work to avoid having to bring so much with me.
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Originally Posted by iwegian
(Post 9355103)
fat tires would be good. probably 32/35, or smaller if the frame won't fit them. since it's 6 miles and i assume you want to do it cheaply, you might think about ss. it will also be low maintenance. but if the geary bits on the bike now work fine i'd stick with those.
a rack might be good depending on how much stuff you have and whether or not you can stand wearing a backpack/mess bag. also think about fenders edit: probably 26" wheels, so probably 26x1.5" will work good and still roll fast |
Here's an extensive plan that I think will help you pick up the skills and confidence you need to work on your bike and let you stage things to spread out the expenses.
1. Clean and oil the chain. This is probably the biggest thing wrong with most Magnas I see. It's easy but well worth doing on a regular basis. Read here: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html 2. Replace the tires. This is essentially the most basic task you can perform, and all the tools you need for are things you should have with you for commuting anyway. If your budget is tight, stop by Performance Bike and pick up a pair of Forte Gothams. If you have the money, go for something more puncture resistant. 3. Learn to adjust the brakes. If you get a multi-tool like the Crank Brothers multi-19, it will have everything you need to completely remove the brake arms, put them back on, adjust the cable length, remove the pads, etc. Take everything off and apply grease anywhere it pivots. I'd recommend replacing the pads while you doing this. A set of Kool Stops will make a huge difference in your brake performance. This is probably what you need to know: http://sheldonbrown.com/canti-direct.html 4. Learn to adjust the derailleurs. Start with the rear, it's easier. This will be tricky with the low-end derailleurs you have on a Magna, but if you master it, you'll be a whiz once you upgrade to something nicer. This part is a lot easier with a workstand, but you can get by without it. Look here: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html It will seem at first like you're missing something because it just doesn't work the way Sheldon says. You just need to develop a better feel for things. 5. Replace the cables. You really should have done this sooner, but it's kind of an intimidating job until you've mastered the above skills. You'll want a good cable cutter like the Park Tool CN-10, which is well worth the cost. How-to: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/cables.html 6. Take the derailleurs off and put them back on. This is mostly a learning and confidence building exercise. It won't improve anything, but you'll feel better about your knowledge of how things work. 7. Replace the bottom bracket with a cartridge bottom bracket. You'll need a crank puller and a bottom bracket tool for this job. Removing the old bottom bracket may take a different tool. I'd recommend taking it to an LBS to have that done, because they'll charge you less than the cost of the tool and the old one was probably insufficiently greased which will make removal hard. Have them figure out what size cartridge you need while you're there. 8. Replace the frame. Do you have one of those Magnas with front or dual suspension? If so, that's lots of dead weight. If you head down to The Recyclery at 9th and Madison you can pick up a decent used rigid mountain bike frame for under $50. You can probably move most/all of the parts from the Magna over to that and then replace them with better parts as needed/wanted. If you've done everything above, this should be a piece of cake. |
Good site
Here's a site which will shed some light on all your questions - wide range of stuff, all helpful.
http://www.biketoledo.net |
Originally Posted by Andy_K
(Post 9363645)
Here's an extensive plan that I think will help you pick up the skills and confidence you need to work on your bike and let you stage things to spread out the expenses.
1. Clean and oil the chain. This is probably the biggest thing wrong with most Magnas I see. It's easy but well worth doing on a regular basis. Read here: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/chains.html 2. Replace the tires. This is essentially the most basic task you can perform, and all the tools you need for are things you should have with you for commuting anyway. If your budget is tight, stop by Performance Bike and pick up a pair of Forte Gothams. If you have the money, go for something more puncture resistant. 3. Learn to adjust the brakes. If you get a multi-tool like the Crank Brothers multi-19, it will have everything you need to completely remove the brake arms, put them back on, adjust the cable length, remove the pads, etc. Take everything off and apply grease anywhere it pivots. I'd recommend replacing the pads while you doing this. A set of Kool Stops will make a huge difference in your brake performance. This is probably what you need to know: http://sheldonbrown.com/canti-direct.html 4. Learn to adjust the derailleurs. Start with the rear, it's easier. This will be tricky with the low-end derailleurs you have on a Magna, but if you master it, you'll be a whiz once you upgrade to something nicer. This part is a lot easier with a workstand, but you can get by without it. Look here: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/derailer-adjustment.html It will seem at first like you're missing something because it just doesn't work the way Sheldon says. You just need to develop a better feel for things. 5. Replace the cables. You really should have done this sooner, but it's kind of an intimidating job until you've mastered the above skills. You'll want a good cable cutter like the Park Tool CN-10, which is well worth the cost. How-to: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/cables.html 6. Take the derailleurs off and put them back on. This is mostly a learning and confidence building exercise. It won't improve anything, but you'll feel better about your knowledge of how things work. 7. Replace the bottom bracket with a cartridge bottom bracket. You'll need a crank puller and a bottom bracket tool for this job. Removing the old bottom bracket may take a different tool. I'd recommend taking it to an LBS to have that done, because they'll charge you less than the cost of the tool and the old one was probably insufficiently greased which will make removal hard. Have them figure out what size cartridge you need while you're there. 8. Replace the frame. Do you have one of those Magnas with front or dual suspension? If so, that's lots of dead weight. If you head down to The Recyclery at 9th and Madison you can pick up a decent used rigid mountain bike frame for under $50. You can probably move most/all of the parts from the Magna over to that and then replace them with better parts as needed/wanted. If you've done everything above, this should be a piece of cake. |
Andy has good suggestions, but I think what will help most is going to a thinner slick then what comes on the mountain bikes. The Gothem is good, but I'd go even thinner, maybe 1.5 on the thickness for a road commute.
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I don't think I would automatically replace the bottom bracket. If it is cup and cone style, take it apart, clean it and re-grease it. If it is smooth (okay smooth enough :p) use it and only if it starts making noise or really threatens to fail, replace it. That will save you $20.
How about a picture of the bike. Being a Magna it could be rigid/front suspension/full suspension, really bad side pull brakes, bad cantilever or v-brakes etc. Many variables. I just did a total rebuild on a Royce Union front suspension mountain bike and I think the only really really bad component on it is the Lee Chi cantilever brakes. I am thinking of swapping out the levers with something that doesn't bend and deform when used and seeing if that improves things a bit. |
The main issue is that, if everything's working and the parts are fine with you, the only thing left is to remove the parts and pop em back on.
On the other hand, u can look up what makes the $1000 bikes worth that much, and try to improve your bike to something of the sort with less cost by using used parts. Main things that people change out are the shifters, which fit to a certain gearing that you want. This in turn might need to you to change the cassettes, crankshaft, derailers, and chain. The brakes are also another thing that people upgrade depending on their needs. In addition to the parts, you'll need certain tools to change the parts you get. I think there's ways to ghetto it, but you'd want tools that fit if you value the parts you found, because a hammer and screwdriver isn't going to change out all the parts. Basically, choose the frame you want, then pop in parts you want depending on what you want the bike to do. What ends up on the frame will be dependent on you experience, budget, and needs |
Don't put a dime in it. Use it till it falls apart and throw it away save up and buy a better bike when the right deal comes along.
Local thrift stores and yard sales are you best deals. but it takes a lot of leg work. I have dragged some really nice bikes out of thrift stores. Find one in a good area that takes drop offs and hit them a few times on a Saturday if they are processing as the stuff comes in. Last week I got a 1983 Fuji DelRey that once I clean up it will sell for $180. I paid $25 but it needs a full tune up and tires just because of how long it has been sitting. If it has 50 miles on it I would be surprised. Also look here. http://portland.craigslist.org/bik/ Find a full rigid or at least a hard tail if you are mostly on hard pack. Suspension soaks up energy that could be used for forward motion. Find a quality mountain or possibly Hybrid from Trek, Cannondale or other better brands. Put a tire on it with a locked center tread. I like Specialized Cross road on the rear and Hemisphere on the front. This is a good deal on a better quality bike. In fact if you can talk the seller into leaving the fenders (point out that unless his road bike has 26 inch tires those 60mm fenders are not going to work).and most of the hard rocks have rack braze on's. This is boarder line a smoking deal if you fit it. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1306196427.html Another not so bad deal if you are short. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1306100688.html Good bike idiot seller. offer $100 no more unless he fixes the tire then offer $110. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1306044413.html Nice bike price is high. Watch and see if it comes down. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1305950087.html If this is really a cannondale and it is in any sort of shape its a deal. Sounds like they need crack money. Bring friend and even better if they have a gun. offer $20. :lol: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1305895406.html Decent bikes but price is out of line. Pay no more then $110. I just sold one of these for $80. Check the shifters carefully. they are prone to jamming. REI has new grip shifts for $17. The Shifters off you manga would work. http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/bik/1305832062.html On the higher end. Good bike fair price they may take an offer. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1305768200.html Probably where the crack head got the cannondale. http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/bik/1305749927.html Decent price http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/1305708463.html Decent bike with decent mid line parts. Price is not out of line but you might be able to get them down around $110. http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/bik/1305694369.html All off those bikes were $400 or more new. Some much more. M500's were around $600 if it has the silk fork. Just make sure you get the bearing serviced even on a garage queen that has been sitting with less then 50 miles on it. Grease dries out and you will ruin the bearings. Sheldon (RIP) can help you on working on your bike. www.sheldonbrown.com/ |
Originally Posted by curbtender
(Post 9414838)
Andy has good suggestions, but I think what will help most is going to a thinner slick then what comes on the mountain bikes. The Gothem is good, but I'd go even thinner, maybe 1.5 on the thickness for a road commute.
Someone here recently linked to a technical article which showed that all other things being equal wider tires generally have lower rolling resistance that thinner ones of the same type. The thing that thinner tires have going for them is a better aerodynamic profile, but I'm not sure that really comes into play much at the speeds most commuters are usually going. |
I wouldn't go with slimmer tires. It's only 6 commutes, and yes it makes you faster, but the wider, more off-road tires would make it more comfortable to hop curbs and road debris. Plus, I'm always worrying my tires/rims are getting shot with every bump I take...
Getting new cables should be a nice way to start, and not too expensive either. After this you'll naturally run into adjusting derailleurs and brakes. Brakes are the easy part, derailleurs are the 'hard' part. Check out youtube, there are some instructables around on how to adjust them. As said (in a few posts before) grease is very important. It's easy to take a part the wheel axles and regrease the bearings in it. Just make sure you have proper bearing grease and don't lose any bearing balls. Clean your bike each weak, or as you ride only 12 miles a day (equals 60 miles a week) every two weeks. Sand and other dirt can slow you down on your way as it increases rubbing alongside the brakes, or near the axles of the wheels. A few things you might want, are a Topeak seatpost clipon luggage rack with a fitting fender, and a front fender. Getting your legs and your back wet after the rain isn't fun. And if you ever need to take something extra to work, you have a place to put it (which obviously goes for your clothing as well, since you do have to take it to work once in a while). Not sure what Magna type you have, but did a quick Google search for it. You might want to go with clipless pedals in a few months, but it's not a necessity (yet). Make sure you have reflectors in your spokes, and nice and bright lights in the front and rear of your bike (lighting is very important when commuting). Maybe some bar ends for the extra hand positions, could decrease or prevent cramping/numb/tingly fingers while on the road. |
I converted a MTB for commuting and put on these tires:
http://www.biketiresdirect.com/piksc...ty_tire/pp.htm It was good to get rid of the MTB tires. |
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