If you repeat "abhor" to yourself over and over it stops sounding like a word
and starts to lose any meaning. And you'll start to really hate it.

People that ride and smoke should be tasered. Where's a cop when ya need 'em?

I really don't care if people smoke. I used to smoke myself. It's sort of Darwinian in a way. I do care when people throw their disgusting trash on the ground. It seems that for some reason, tossing the cigarette butt has become the one socially acceptable form of littering. I bet I could find 100 cigarette butts on the curb at any given intersection on my commute.

If someone throws their butts on the ground, they're being a disgusting pig. And when I see someone do it, I'm more than happy to point this out.

Here's a good link to the facts about cigarette litter. They're definitely not made from eco-friendly cotton and paper.

http://www.cigarettelitter.org/index...geName=Smokers

The smokers on BF.com would probably enjoy the Seattle scene. I was just there last week.

What was surprising to me was how many smokers Seattle has. I thought that the place would have healthier "outdoors" type of people, but that was not the case. The city itself has clusters of smokers on every city block - more than any other city I can recall. Lots of smokers, LOTS of coffee shops, and lots of people still hanging on to grunge fashion, which I mistakenly thought went out in the '90's.

There is also lots of rain and I have to give credit to Seattle bicyclists and people in general because the rain did not seem to slow them down at all. People put on their rain gear and go outside and bike and go about their business.

Seattle also has a pretty strong bicycle culture - not astoundingly so, but reasonably so. I guess that bicycling and smoking must come together in Seattle.

Grrrrrrr...cigarette litter...grrrrr

I was in Seattle back in August. I didn't notice an inordinate number of smokers, but you are absolutely correct about them riding in all weather.

As for the grunge fashion, look at it this way: That style is native to the area. It was born there and will probably always be around up there. Just like big, honkin' belt buckles, cowboy hats and boots went out of style twenty years ago. But here in Texas, they are everywhere and probably always will be.

Ha! Good points about the fashion in Seattle. It looks like it has been there forever and is there to stay - yes, like cowboy boots and big belt buckles in Texas. For sure, though, Seattle has a LOT of coffee shops and a lot of smokers. Apparently, Seattle takes both very seriously.

Another thing I noticed is that people do get OUTSIDE in Seattle. The downtown is alive and well compaired with other cities. TONS of people walking all over town. This is despite the fact that it rained everyday for the week I was there.

On Saturday evening, most of the bars, coffee shops, and restaurants were jam packed. It appears eople in Seattle aren't staying home worrying about the economy like they are in other cities.

I had a blast in Seattle. My wife was pitching me on us moving up there. If I didn't hate the cold so much, I would have entertained the thought. :)

Do they smoke inside the coffee shops?

Making a poultice with tobacco and your saliva is extremely effective on stings. I've done it numerous times and have seen it done dozens of times with good results.

Um, you do realize that it's illegal to smoke in any public establishment in Seattle? It forces all of the smokers out on to the streets and gives the impression that there are more smokers than other cities. I would guess the opposite is true.

Head down to Portland, OR if you want to see where bike culture and smoking really come together.

It's the same way in Minneapolis/St. Paul (actually the entire State of Minnesota). It definitely gives the impression that there a lot more smokers here than there really are!

I have never smoked a ciggarette in my life , but I don't really care if others do it, it's their life let them do what they want, as long as they not blowing smoke in my face, I am not bothered by it.

It was canceled. Too many people wanted to rain on it.

im a smoker also...unfortunently.

I knew a fairly serious roadie who would smoke on a ride. He died of lung cancer in his 50's, and it was not pleasant to watch. I know, it's only one data point and not statistically significant, but some images stick with you.

Tobacco is god's greatest gift to man.

20+ years I enjoyed smoking. Smoking on the bike on occasion, but not habitually. After the ride though is pure heaven.

I have seen a friend of mine roll a cig on bike. I have smoked my big Nording pipe on my bike. Nothing says fall like a nice bowl riding through the falling leaves.

Rain is not yellow.

why?

And parades aren't cornflakes.

Remember in 40-year-old virgin when he says "It's a free country Bambi, I can smoke here if I want to."

"Smoke my pole!"

These folks make some great shoes out of hemp and old car tires. :love: