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Old 10-08-09, 12:30 PM
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You ain't gotta explain why you were positioned where you were...it's your route and your ass, so it was your call. The honks and engine revs...you just get used to them and resist the urge to do anything but give them a big smile. If words are exchanged, the first words out of your mouth should be "Friend, have you found Jesus?"

But in the case where some idiot pulls over and gets out of his car...you can either take the prudent course of action and continue on as you did, or give him the impression that you are a crazed homeless person who is about to tear off his head, eat his liver then spit it back down his throat...not that I would know anything about that.
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Old 10-08-09, 12:31 PM
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OP you are going to have a hard time in life with your black and white attitude and i do agree that you picked a fight. probably to get somehting interesting on your new camera
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Old 10-08-09, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by duke_of_hazard View Post
I have nothing against his pass, it was his honking and engine revving that annoyed me.
I don't understand the constant complaint of engine revving here on BF. Its a car with an automatic transmission. When a driver wants/needs to pass something, even a bike, they tend to want to get that done quickly. What we hear on the bike is the transmission downshifting and the subsequent higher RPMs of the engine. Its the way the car works.

Revving would be car with a standard transmission depressing the clutch and then stepping on the throttle a few times as an aggressive move.

Honking is most often rude. I also don't understand people stopping afterward even if provoked with the "bird". They must be in a huge hurry otherwise they wouldn't be honking and passing on the double yellow.

In this case, it just might be that the driver didn't want to be stuck behind a slow moving vehicle for a long time. He didn't know your intention to turn right that soon and the video appears to show the road inclining for quite a ways. Not saying the driver was right, but ...

After 4 solid years of bike commuting, I know I have adjusted my car operating attitude. People that don't ride a bike on roads just can't identify with the bike rider's perspective.
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Old 10-08-09, 12:50 PM
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I know what it feels like when someone revs their engine as they pass you. I'd be pissed too, it's very unsettling...Especially if you don't have the mirror, you don't know WTF is going on. Some people even do it just to scare you.

But I see no reason for you to take the lane as there was plenty of room for both of you and merging to the right would not present any problem IMO. If you pause the vid at 4 secs, you will see the car ahead and the available space for you to be on the right. I don't really get your merging argument because it's just a one way road after the turn.
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I don't see what the driver did that got you bugged in the first place. Looks like he left a few feet to pass, and you were going up a hill pretty slowly, and there was no oncoming traffic. Sure, he gunned the engine, but he WAS trying to accelerate up a hill. Honestly, I wouldn't even have blinked at the guy passing me like that.
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You were taking up to much lane in my opinion.
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Old 10-08-09, 01:32 PM
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He is not going to thing twice about bullying you again. You didn't stop, nor confront him when you had the chance. He "won" because you rode off and will now continue his unsafe driving behavior around you. If you are not ready to be accountable for the one finger salute, don't use it.
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Old 10-08-09, 01:43 PM
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Yeah, after thinking about it, both of you are right, and wrong. If you're turning right at that turn, there's no reason to not be farther right on the road. I understand "taking the lane", but you're only going a short distance and it would be easier to let him pass. If I was driving along in a SMV, I'd be over to the right as well. What is the speed limit for the road?
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Originally Posted by duke_of_hazard View Post
He stopped because I gave him the middle finger. I think if I had not done that he would not have stopped. In the future I need to resist the urge to do this. It obviously ticks people off a lot more than honking back with my airzound... Maybe it's a cultural thing??
Why did you give him the middle finger? (Maybe, because he honked?) I don't see how giving him the finger is really doing a lot to help you.

It looks like you could have moved to the right earlier than you did. It's also possible that you could have ridden at the left of the merge lane. (I'm not saying you should have done either of these things.)

Originally Posted by duke_of_hazard View Post
He did honk at me first, you may have to listen closely to the video. Then the unnecessary engine revving to overtake me ticked me off further.
Your middle finger must get a lot of exercise! It's a bit hard to "rev" the engine when overtaking ("revving" is done out of gear). Drivers often accelerate rapidly when passing cyclists. I suspect they do this out of some apparent need to pass as quickly as possible. It is rathe annoying to the cyclist but I don't think the drivers tend to be aware of that.

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Old 10-08-09, 01:51 PM
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Folks, I have ridden this road hundreds of times and can count on my two hands the number of times I have been honked it. My mistake was the middle finger which escalated the problem . My lane position is correct and safest for me.
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Old 10-08-09, 01:53 PM
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meanwhile, on the "commuting by nondescript sedan' forum:

jeez...coming home today, in a bit of a rush...wifey made meatloaf and i wanted an end piece before the little crumbsnatchers took them. coming down a two lane road, and come up on a bike. right in the middle of the lane too darnit! so i gave a quick honk, figuring he would move over right?

nope. paid me no heed, rolled right along. it was a no passing zone, but i was getting hungry as hell, and there was no traffic coming, so...around i went. and i did so by revving my motor, as is most convenient when using an internal combustion engine to power your vehicle (you knwo how it is, fellow nondescript sedan commuters.)

well, he honked at me! it sounded like a real horn! pretty neat to have that on a bike i thought, glancing into my rearview. and what did i see?

the finger!

so yeah, i pulled over to yell at him. i guess i shouldn't have, but he rolled along anyway, so i guess i made my point. coward. but after the stop my darn kids got my meatloaf! well, i'm sure i'll see him again, we must ride the same road home. then i'll get even. hehehe.
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Old 10-08-09, 01:54 PM
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I'm sorry, I would say you were in the wrong. Why didn't you move over to the right just a little? Maybe ride where the right tire mark would be? Or ride the double yellow.

His little honk wasn't disrespectful. I took it as more of a "hey buddy, I'm right behind you and would like to pass" type of honk.

What reason did you have to use your air zound? He did nothing dangerous to you. He gave you a crap load of room when he passed. Of course he had to rev his engine. He wants to pass as quickly as possible. He doesn't want to be caught out on the other side of the double yellow too long.

At the same time, he was stupid for stopping and getting out. That served no purpose. Maybe he isn't used to getting honked at.

Maybe the question is:
- honking

How often do you get honked at? I personally get honked at on a daily basis. Multiple times. I don't even look back anymore (this is both driving and riding).

Maybe you guys are taking the horn a little too seriously. If you don't take it as a disrespectful act, maybe you wouldn't be so mad.

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Old 10-08-09, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by duke_of_hazard View Post
Then the unnecessary engine revving to overtake me ticked me off further.
We had a thread recently about so-called "unnecessary engine revving" in which those of us who also drive explained how automobile transmissions work, and how a cyclist may perceive as "unnecessary engine revving" what is in fact normal operation and/or a safe and prudent passing maneuver. Did you read that thread?
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Old 10-08-09, 02:32 PM
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I'm with you Duke.

You're the one who gets to make the call about proper lane position. The car driver needs to respect that and be patient. The honk was one of impatience, meant to get you to comply with his wishes.

And gunning the engine? I'm amazed that many on this forum don't realize you can accelerate a car without gunning the engine or ramming the accelerator to the floor. I do it all the time. This driver (appeared to) intentionally gun the engine, which was meant to display his superior power and annoyance.

Honking and flipping him off? yeah, that's a little aggressive, but the driver didn't hold back from expressing himself with his horn and engine.

Up to that point, it's all just normal traffic. Stopping your car and getting out to confront another is an aggressive act that could easily lead to violence.

I find it hard to beleive that some here think this guy was just innocently driving his car as courteously as possible, and Duke's actions alone caused him to react this way. He was annoyed to see a biker on the road, drove his car in a manner meant to intimidate, and was extremely offended that a lowly biker had the nerve to call him on it. "Don't those weak, effeminate, engine-less bikers know to get out of my way and accept any abuse I hurl their way!?! I'm in a car here, I have the power!"

I would have been severely tempted to stop and have it out with him. At that point, both would be liable to get in legal trouble.
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Originally Posted by Berniebikes View Post
You stayed left when you didn't have to, impeding traffic. A driver gives a quick honk saying move over, and you stay left. Then thecar passed you with plenty of room without endangering you in any way and you rspond with an air horn and a middle finger. Then you think he wronged you? Sorry, but the driver in this instance had every reason to get pissed. IMO you need to rethink your self righteous position, and quit making it difficult for the rest of the riding public,
Not sure where you are, but in Texas, the law states that a bicycle is subject to all the rights and responsibilities of a vehicle. It further clarifies that a bicycle should ride as far to the right as practical, unless: there is not enough room for a car to pass safely in the lane, or the lane is less than 14 feet wide. It looks like both of those apply in this case. If this happened in Texas, there is nothing wrong with the cyclist's positioning since the lane looks narrower than 14 feet. I would have positioned similarly.

The finger... okay, not smart. But I have to admit that I've had the same reaction in a similar situation, at least once. (The difference was that there was, in fact, a bike lane, but there were cars parked in it.)
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Old 10-08-09, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by dwightonabike View Post
And gunning the engine? I'm amazed that many on this forum don't realize you can accelerate a car without gunning the engine or ramming the accelerator to the floor. I do it all the time. This driver (appeared to) intentionally gun the engine, which was meant to display his superior power and annoyance.
Yeah, and I have to admit that I, when driving a car, have punched the accelerator when I finally get a chance to pass a slower vehicle after having been stuck behind it for any length of time. It's not something you think about, and it's also not necessarily agressive; it's just born of impatience.
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Originally Posted by Doohickie View Post
Yeah, and I have to admit that I, when driving a car, have punched the accelerator when I finally get a chance to pass a slower vehicle after having been stuck behind it for any length of time. It's not something you think about, and it's also not necessarily agressive; it's just born of impatience.
I don't think it's always intentional - but that doesn't mean its not aggressive. It is certainly a sign of impatience, which can easily be as dangerous as aggression.
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Originally Posted by duke_of_hazard View Post
Folks, I have ridden this road hundreds of times and can count on my two hands the number of times I have been honked it. My mistake was the middle finger which escalated the problem . My lane position is correct and safest for me.
If everyone says you are wrong, you're one step ahead. If everyone laughs at you, you're two steps ahead.

OR

When everyone says that you're wrong, you might just be wrong.

BTW .. for next time this happens, you should stop and talk to the driver, that would make better video..
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Old 10-08-09, 02:48 PM
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Guy stopped for a middle finger? That's practically a salutation around Chicago. As in . . .

Hey good morning, go f**k yourself!

You too, a**hat!
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after the merge, can you move farther to the right?
+1 Camera rolling, you flipped some guy off, then you rode in the middle of the lane--enjoy unnecessary confrontations much?
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Old 10-08-09, 02:57 PM
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+1 Camera rolling, you flipped some guy off, then you rode in the middle of the lane--enjoy unnecessary confrontations much?
Does that lane look 14' wide to you after the merge? It is barely wide enough to let two cars pass safely in opposite directions. That is why I purposely ride in the middle so no one would even dare to overtake me while another car is coming in the opposite direction. And the video shows it works, as you can see this moron overtook me safely with plenty of space.
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Originally Posted by dwightonabike View Post
I don't think it's always intentional - but that doesn't mean its not aggressive. It is certainly a sign of impatience, which can easily be as dangerous as aggression.
But it doesn't look like the car came particularly close so.... no it wasn't dangerous. If you're gonna ride with the big dogs out in the lane, you have to develop a bit of a thick skin. As long as they are not threatening you, it's best to just let it ride even if the driver is being an asshat. Personally, letting it ride is a skill I have to work on.
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Originally Posted by duke_of_hazard View Post
so no one would even dare to overtake me while another car is coming in the opposite direction.
Ah, so that's why you had the camera rolling. Be honest now: how many times did you ride through that intersection hoping to catch someone in the act of daring to overtake you?


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And the video shows it works, as you can see this moron overtook me safely with plenty of space.
If he overtook you safely with plenty of space, then why did you give him the finger, bud?

IMO the video more portrays a cyclist with a chip on his shoulder, out prowling for an unnecessary confrontation, (which is what I fear my pointing this out will only lead to; please consider my silence after this post an acknowledgment that you've cornered me with logic and that I now understand the iodiocy in riding courteously and non-confrontationally. )
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I edited my reply. It's better that I keep these thoughts to myself.

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Originally Posted by calamarichris View Post
If he overtook you safely with plenty of space, then why did you give him the finger, bud?
When I did it... because I was in front and the car broke the law (crossing the double yellow) to pass me, which is pretty much the same thing that happened in the video. Simple road rage. Not very smart.
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