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Old 10-08-09, 11:52 AM
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Red lights - have to dismount

Are there any localities that don't require a cyclist to dismount at a red light? I.e. I "run" red lights all the time - stopping, then looking, then going through. This often torques off drivers - they complain that I'm running the lights. Technically, it's unlawful, unless I dismount and walk it across as a ped. But from a commuter standpoint, this is stupid.
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behave like a vehicle, get treated like one. You don't get to pick and choose which laws you want to obey. Running red lights in a vehicle is illegal, not 'technically', just plain illegal. A few states have laws that allow 'stop' to be treated like yield, but I don't think that applies to red lights. Run them if you want, just be willing to accept the rath of vehicles that stop for them, the ticket you get issued for doing it, and for ill will from cyclists working to gain and keep respect from the vehicular world.
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No. Red pretty much means "stop" everywhere you go.
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You don't have to dismount if you're riding in the road with traffic.. just stop and wait.
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You could track stand if this would make you feel any better. Seriously though, while Joeybike would disagree, you're putting more than just yourself at risk by running red lights. Why should bicycles be the only traffic allow to do this? Peds can't, mopeds can't. why should bicycles? Although some states have laws that allow you to treat a stop light as a stop sign on a bike.....
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It's unlawful to run a red light as a ped too. California used to require cyclists to put a foot down at stop signs and red lights, but I've never heard of a requirement to dismount.
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The way the lights work here (and I would think most places) it's illegal even if you get off and walk your bike across as a ped, -though I've never seen anyone get cited for it.

If you're at a red light most likely the peds are stuck with a "Don't Walk" signal too.
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Old 10-08-09, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Berniebikes View Post
behave like a vehicle, get treated like one. You don't get to pick and choose which laws you want to obey. Running red lights in a vehicle is illegal, not 'technically', just plain illegal. A few states have laws that allow 'stop' to be treated like yield, but I don't think that applies to red lights. Run them if you want, just be willing to accept the rath of vehicles that stop for them, the ticket you get issued for doing it, and for ill will from cyclists working to gain and keep respect from the vehicular world.
Traffic engineers aren't perfect .. every vehicle operator disobeys traffic laws because sometimes there are stupid laws. My complaint is that a pedestrian can walk across the street through a red light (and I can do so legally if I dismount and walk the bike). My point is that this is not much riskier than biking "reasonably" (using a nice legal term there) through the light after making the stop.
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Old 10-08-09, 12:23 PM
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Question for the OP, are you having problems getting a green light, you just sit and wait and nothing happens, or are you questioning if the lights apply to you? I don't think I'm quite understanding the question.
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Old 10-08-09, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Limey1212 View Post
Question for the OP, are you having problems getting a green light, you just sit and wait and nothing happens, or are you questioning if the lights apply to you? I don't think I'm quite understanding the question.
No real question - I just like to gripe.

Colorado code for ped. crossing:

(b) Every pedestrian crossing or otherwise within a roadway shall yield the right-of-way to and avoid any interference with all vehicles upon or approaching the roadway.

(c) Where a traffic control signal is in operation at an intersection, no pedestrian shall cross a roadway within fifty feet of the crosswalk at the intersection except in the crosswalk in conformance with section 7-5-15, "Pedestrian Obedience to Traffic Signal Required," B.R.C. 1981
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Stopping at red lights allows me to drink up. Alot of times I forget. So I don't mind red light. Like the posters said, blasting through red lights are not only illegal, it is unsafe. Also why give motor vehicles more reason to be upset at us?
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Originally Posted by wunderkind View Post
Stopping at red lights allows me to drink up. Alot of times I forget. So I don't mind red light. Like the posters said, blasting through red lights are not only illegal, it is unsafe. Also why give motor vehicles more reason to be upset at us?
^^^ +1 yeah, that
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Originally Posted by AltheCyclist View Post
Traffic engineers aren't perfect .. every vehicle operator disobeys traffic laws because sometimes there are stupid laws. My complaint is that a pedestrian can walk across the street through a red light (and I can do so legally if I dismount and walk the bike). My point is that this is not much riskier than biking "reasonably" (using a nice legal term there) through the light after making the stop.
So it is legal for a ped to walk across the street on a red light in your community? Is this what you mean by this?
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Originally Posted by AltheCyclist View Post
No real question - I just like to gripe.

Colorado code for ped. crossing:

(b) Every pedestrian crossing or otherwise within a roadway shall yield the right-of-way to and avoid any interference with all vehicles upon or approaching the roadway.

(c) Where a traffic control signal is in operation at an intersection, no pedestrian shall cross a roadway within fifty feet of the crosswalk at the intersection except in the crosswalk in conformance with section 7-5-15, "Pedestrian Obedience to Traffic Signal Required," B.R.C. 1981
Hate to do this but:
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Old 10-08-09, 01:07 PM
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Idaho allows cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs, and red lights as stop signs if there are no other vehicles around.
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Idaho allows cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs, and red lights as stop signs if there are no other vehicles around.
this is true.... hence my avatar.
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I just trackstand: Partially because it's faster away from the line when the light goes green; partially because it's a fun and challenging thing to perfect; and partially because I'm a show-off.

There is no requirement in California that you dismount or even put a foot down, only that you stop. And stop is defined as a cessation of forward movement. A trackstand satisfies that requirement.
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Originally Posted by Square & Compas View Post
Hate to do this but:


I'll just quote what I posted in another thread a while ago.

https://www.bikeforums.net/general-cycling-discussion/592338-difference-between-pedestrians-cyclists.html
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Oh yea, no doubt that the percentages are the same. But no one seems to get angry at pedestrians whereas people seem to want to kill cyclists if they do even a minor wrong.
What I think happens is an unintended consequence of cyclists wanting to be like vehicles and advocating their cause as such.

The thing is, bikes are neither pedestrians nor motor vehicles. They're too fast to mix safely with pedestrians, and too slow for most motor traffic. Their flexibility -- where bikes can fit if necessary -- also rates between both peds and cars.

The most painless treatment of bikes I've seen yet is when bikes, cars, and peds get separate facilities, not only in terms of lanes or sidewalk markings, but also with separate signal lights at intersections and separate routes through large, multi-street intersections.

In lieu of separate facilities and signals, I'll go when it's safe, even if it's against a light. I'd rather do that than share an intersection with drivers next to me who have just gotten the green light and are accelerating, turning, and going wherever else they need to go.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
And stop is defined as a cessation of forward movement. A trackstand satisfies that requirement.
Well, it depends on how good you are at trackstanding
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Originally Posted by AltheCyclist View Post
Are there any localities that don't require a cyclist to dismount at a red light? I.e. I "run" red lights all the time - stopping, then looking, then going through. This often torques off drivers - they complain that I'm running the lights. Technically, it's unlawful, unless I dismount and walk it across as a ped. But from a commuter standpoint, this is stupid.
I've never been in a place that required you to dismount. Stop completely for red lights and stop signs, that's a given. But dismount and cross? I only do that when I am not going with the traffic, ie stopping at an intersection then walking left across it to get to the other side.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
I just trackstand: Partially because it's faster away from the line when the light goes green; partially because it's a fun and challenging thing to perfect; and partially because I'm a show-off.

There is no requirement in California that you dismount or even put a foot down, only that you stop. And stop is defined as a cessation of forward movement. A trackstand satisfies that requirement.
The only caveat I'd say about trackstanding (besides the fact that I can't do it at all) is that, to most onlookers, even many cyclists, it looks like the rider is wobbling a bit and is on the verge of moving again.

Someone approaching, like a a driver or a jogger, would take a glance, see that you're standing on your pedals, and think that you're about to take off.

They're mistaken, of course, but I'd rather that they didn't have to decipher what a trackstanding cyclist is doing. They've got enough stuff to look out for already.
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Originally Posted by BarracksSi View Post
The only caveat I'd say about trackstanding (besides the fact that I can't do it at all) is that, to most onlookers, even many cyclists, it looks like the rider is wobbling a bit and is on the verge of moving again.

Someone approaching, like a a driver or a jogger, would take a glance, see that you're standing on your pedals, and think that you're about to take off.

They're mistaken, of course, but I'd rather that they didn't have to decipher what a trackstanding cyclist is doing. They've got enough stuff to look out for already.
Wobbling!?!? Wobbling!?!? You insult my trackstanding abilities, sir! I'll see you at dawn, bring your second and your pistol!
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Originally Posted by AltheCyclist View Post
Technically, it's unlawful, unless I dismount and walk it across as a ped.
You're not a pedestrian, and you have no business using the crosswalk as a pedestrian. Cross the intersection with traffic.
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Wobbling!?!? Wobbling!?!? You insult my trackstanding abilities, sir! I'll see you at dawn, bring your second and your pistol!
If we both have to trackstand, I can say right now that I'll lose.

Unless I fall, dropping out of your line of fire, and take my shot while laying on the street.
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Originally Posted by AltheCyclist View Post
No real question - I just like to gripe.

Colorado code for ped. crossing:

(b) Every pedestrian crossing or otherwise within a roadway shall yield the right-of-way to and avoid any interference with all vehicles upon or approaching the roadway.

(c) Where a traffic control signal is in operation at an intersection, no pedestrian shall cross a roadway within fifty feet of the crosswalk at the intersection except in the crosswalk in conformance with section 7-5-15, "Pedestrian Obedience to Traffic Signal Required," B.R.C. 1981
I'm sorry...but where does this say a pedistrian can ignore the traffic signal?
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