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JohnnyGalaga 10-23-09 10:23 AM

Why Can't All Roads Have Bike Lanes Like This?
 
Thumbs up to whoever designed these. :thumb: :beer::beer: :thumb:

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2438/img0519i.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5903/img0522km.jpg


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lambo_vt 10-23-09 10:32 AM

We have pocket lanes here too, though they certainly don't encourage the drivers to give you any quarter. That section of the road is a 45mph speed limit and right by a strip mall, so traffic is ugly.

RogerB 10-23-09 10:56 AM

So...

...What's the problem? Or were you really praising it?

genec 10-23-09 11:26 AM

Where is that BL... looks pretty nice... leads cyclists either straight or to the right, and clearly defines a crossing area. Only thing I might want is for it to be a bit wider.

rodrigooooooob 10-23-09 11:31 AM

they just freshly paved a rode around my house and when they painted it, they painted a bike lane like that one shown above. Pretty cool, but haven't ridden it myself.

Doohickie 10-23-09 11:38 AM

This is what they use in Orlando, which is a pretty dangerous place for cyclists. I'm not sure if lanes like this are a cause of, or a reaction to, car-bike accidents.

JohnnyGalaga 10-23-09 12:13 PM

This is East Fowler Avenue in Tampa, FL. And oddly enough, Florida is usually ranked as one of the worst (at least in the media, anyway) places for bicycles and pedestrian accidents.

exarkuhn15 10-23-09 12:22 PM

We've got something similar to that in Boston, near Boston University. There was a thread with good pictures of it not too long ago - bike lane and right turning cars have to cross paths. It can be pretty harrowing - you just really hold on and really hope the cars see you. It's tough because there are also cars turning from another direction, and those might be crossing over into the turn lane too, so lots of traffic coming from different directions that you have to watch out for. Helpful to highlight to cars that there are bikers around, but still not really ideal.

paul2432 10-23-09 12:23 PM

We have these in Colorado as well. Often there is an accompanying sign, "Turning Cars Yield to Bikes".

Paul

lambo_vt 10-23-09 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by paul2432 (Post 9912391)
We have these in Colorado as well. Often there is an accompanying sign, "Turning Cars Yield to Bikes".

Paul

...which drivers take just as seriously as "Share the Road" signs.

robi 10-23-09 12:32 PM

i like that!

just noticed a similar one here in Budapest, hungary and was very happy. try riding down a bike bath stuck in between the side walk and the parking lane... that just sucks.

at least in the one in the op you have clear lanes, cyclists are out in the open, not hidden from drivers' views... now let's just hope drivers are paying attention and not telephoning, or worse texting, etc.

robi

CCrew 10-23-09 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by rodrigooooooob (Post 9912052)
they just freshly paved a rode around my house and when they painted it, they painted a bike lane like that one shown above. Pretty cool, but haven't ridden it myself.

Hope it's not Gallows Road... the bike lane just dies into traffic :P

Lalato 10-23-09 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Doohickie (Post 9912104)
This is what they use in Orlando, which is a pretty dangerous place for cyclists. I'm not sure if lanes like this are a cause of, or a reaction to, car-bike accidents.

Considering the severe lack of such lanes when I lived in Orlando... I would say they're probably a reaction to car-bike accidents. I moved away in fall of 2006, and I definitely don't remember any lanes like that in the 14 years I lived there.

--sam

vaticdart 10-23-09 05:24 PM

Those are pretty common in Seattle. They're better than nothing or having the bicycle lane go to the right of a right-turn lane, but motorists will still cut you off and block the bike lane routinely.

imi 10-23-09 05:53 PM

Maybe just me but if I wanted to go straight I'd keep in the right hand lane as long as possible then shoot across back to the straight lane when I was sure there were no cars coming... no way I'd want to be a sitting duck for the cars turning right for the whole stretch of that bike lane...

JFlurett 10-23-09 06:27 PM

We have these here. The main issue is the very start of it. However, in my experience, this is the ONLY place where I seem to be given all the space I need.

Contrast that with coming up to a stop sign or light. Cars race to get ahead of me then slam on the brakes while pulling in front of me. All so they can turn right.

I guess they haven't seen me move my bike as far to the right as possible, communicate with hand gestures, and wave cars forward if it appears they want to turn right, while I'm going straight.

JFlurett 10-23-09 06:31 PM

I prefer these by the way. I'm envious every time I'm in Portland:

http://bikeportland.org/photos/album...orne--7th.html

Fast Cloud 10-23-09 07:36 PM

Hmmm...I'd have to have my Road ID, St. Christopher, rear light flashing and my teeth clenched the whole way through something like that.

Speedwagon98 10-23-09 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by lambo_vt (Post 9912412)
...which drivers take just as seriously as "Share the Road" signs.

I'd guess it's in the same category as the "yield to pedestrians in crosswalk" signs. Once they are more prevalent, they get taken a bit more seriously. The signs are fairly common now, and people seem to obey them now as well. As of late, I see people hit the brakes for a crosswalk, just to sit there as the pedestrian is still 2 minutes away from even getting to the crosswalk. I suppose better safe than dead and all, but some more common sense could go into some people's driving styles.

lambo_vt 10-23-09 07:43 PM


Originally Posted by Speedwagon98 (Post 9914761)
I'd guess it's in the same category as the "yield to pedestrians in crosswalk" signs. Once they are more prevalent, they get taken a bit more seriously. The signs are fairly common now, and people seem to obey them now as well. As of late, I see people hit the brakes for a crosswalk, just to sit there as the pedestrian is still 2 minutes away from even getting to the crosswalk. I suppose better safe than dead and all, but some more common sense could go into some people's driving styles.

Yeah, in all honesty I think it's dependent on traffic. The area here that has lanes like that would suck for cyclists regardless.

JFlurett 10-23-09 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Speedwagon98 (Post 9914761)
I'd guess it's in the same category as the "yield to pedestrians in crosswalk" signs. Once they are more prevalent, they get taken a bit more seriously. The signs are fairly common now, and people seem to obey them now as well. As of late, I see people hit the brakes for a crosswalk, just to sit there as the pedestrian is still 2 minutes away from even getting to the crosswalk. I suppose better safe than dead and all, but some more common sense could go into some people's driving styles.

Indeed. Where I used to live 4 way stops were the bane of my existence. It seemed as though drivers fell into one of two categories. They effectively rolled through the intersection, regardless of other cars/pedestrians/bikes that may have already been there (potentially several cars deep).

Or the other group: They are already at the 4-way stop (stopped) as I am rolling up to it. I hope to have them go, so that I may slow down, check traffic, and keep rolling. What to they do? Sit there, so I have to stop, then proceed to wave me through. Everyone would be on their way, and faster, if common sense was used.

wheel 10-23-09 08:37 PM

Because most of the roads in America don't have a 200 foot right of way.

tcs 10-24-09 05:52 AM

Because they diverted funds from other projects to build it and no cyclists are using it.

tcs 10-24-09 06:04 AM

Say, how do they intend for a cyclist to make a left turn down at that interection? Scandinavian style and wait through two signal light cycles? Is there a separate set of bike signal lights? Is it still OK to leave the bike lane, merge across traffic and make a vehiclular left turn?

tcs

mikeybikes 10-24-09 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by tcs (Post 9916095)
Say, how do they intend for a cyclist to make a left turn down at that interection? Scandinavian style and wait through two signal light cycles? Is there a separate set of bike signal lights? Is it still OK to leave the bike lane, merge across traffic and make a vehiclular left turn?

This is a problem with all bike lanes. However, in Colorado, they expect you to merge into the proper vehicular lane to make your left turn. I'm fine with it.


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