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Old 10-26-09, 02:07 PM
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New Product Idea: Fingerprint Accessed Bike Lock

Hi my name is Michael, I am a management student at Boston University. My teammates and I are creating a business plan for a sleak and convenient fingerprint accessed bike lock for urban commuters like yourselves. If you have a moment, please fill out our survey to help us create this top notch protection mechanism!

http://bumanagement.qualtrics.com/SE...aiS8&SVID=Prod

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If it's battery powered and has a backup key, what's the point? You still have to carry a key around with you, or extra batteries. Also in a cold climate, batteries run down quickly.

The fingerprint recognition part is unnecessary for increased security as most u-locks are compromised by the materials and locking mechanism - they are just jacked apart with tools or cut with torches.
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I like the idea, but the print reader needs complete testing to ensure it will work in the cold and after people wash their hands. I have noted that afted washing my hands (removing natural skin oil) my laptop finger print reader does not recognize me.
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I took your survey. Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think it makes sense to put a finger print reader in this type of product; however, I realize that this is a theoretical exercise for your business class. In the real world, I don't think this business model would succeed unless it was marketed at a very low price. I don't think something like this could compete with those U-Locks that have a proven track record of working. Like the others have said, batteries fail more quickly in cold weather, plus, it's not the locking mechanism that most thieves attack on bike locks. Personally, I use redundant systems--multiple locks and an alarm, which will probably get back up with an alarmed chain that I plan on purchasing. It's fairly old advice, but true, create multiple barriers that takes thieves time to break through and they'll probably skip your property and choose an easier target. Good luck in your class.
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What's a sleak?
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This is the same project/school that lead to the last survey that gave no response to any of our comments and questions.
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Old 10-26-09, 03:34 PM
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^^^ Young kids these days!!! *shakes fist*
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Old 10-26-09, 03:47 PM
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Same project and school

Other group had a better idea although neither idea is very good
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I guess if you have a good idea and know your intended audience, you wouldn't need to post a survey on a bike forum. I think we could safely link it to this thread. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=597244
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What kind of bike do I get to ride in this theoretical world of "sleak" biometric scanner U-locks and cut-proof steel/kevlar belt locks?
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Don't see the advantage over a combination lock, with a ton of downside.
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Hey guys,

Thanks for all the comments and criticism. We are in the beginning stages of launching this plan, and clearly have not worked out all the kinks. Thanks to all who have contributed. For those still interested in taking our survey, we have an updated version:

http://bumanagement.qualtrics.com/SE...aiS8&SVID=Prod
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Survey is about marketing...not the product. and not a good survey...it doesnt seem to look for any unscripted input.

The product has multiple problems...adding complexity, reducing reliability, reducine access compared to a combination lock, surviving in a harsh environment....... Get a good product first........

One idea I would consider is a motion sensitive alarm built into a lock.
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I appreciate the effort, but you would have a heck of a time keeping sales going beyond a year. Gadget geeks and unwitting newbies would buy them, but as the drawbacks become evident, they'll just stick with the key and/or go back to traditional keyed locks.
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One idea I would consider is a motion sensitive alarm built into a lock.
Hmm... I don't know about that. Sometimes I need to shift a bike on a rack so that I can lock mine next to it, so I don't want something wailing in my ear and drawing unwanted attention while I'm legitimately locking up my own bike.

Maybe if it could discern between cutting and grinding movements versus nudging and bumping.. Hmm again..
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Seems like a gimmick. The locking mechanism is usually left intact after a theft anyway, while the metal or cable is ground down or cut.
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One idea I would consider is a motion sensitive alarm built into a lock.
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Hmm... I don't know about that. Sometimes I need to shift a bike on a rack so that I can lock mine next to it, so I don't want something wailing in my ear and drawing unwanted attention while I'm legitimately locking up my own bike.
Exactly why it is such a good idea. Kindly keep your paws off my bike, just to make extra room for your bike.

Touch my bike and I will tazz you bro.
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Exactly why it is such a good idea. Kindly keep your paws off my bike, just to make extra room for your bike. Touch my bike and I will tazz you bro.
I'm afraid that's just one of the normal parts of using a shared bike rack. You wouldn't lose your temper if someone brushed your coat on a coat rack, would you? Well, maybe you would.
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I'm afraid that's just one of the normal parts of using a shared bike rack. You wouldn't lose your temper if someone brushed your coat on a coat rack, would you? Well, maybe you would.
Right, maybe he would.

Sometimes, it's the only way I can lock my bike on the opposite side of an "inverted-U" rack without also looping my lock around the other bike. If I didn't move it a bit, the other owner would be screwed if they wanted to leave first.

Just something you learn by living around other people.
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I'm afraid that's just one of the normal parts of using a shared bike rack. You wouldn't lose your temper if someone brushed your coat on a coat rack, would you? Well, maybe you would.
"shift a bike on a rack" is quite different than brushing a coat. Would you be OK if someone dropped your coat on the ground to make room for their coat?

Enough people bend wheels and chip paint as they politely "shift a bike". I do not touch your bike, so don't touch mine.
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"shift a bike on a rack" is quite different than brushing a coat.
No, it's not, and neither is dropping a coat on the floor like shifting a bike.

You just have to accept that a bike rack is a shared facility: if there's space on there for two, the other dude might well have to shift yours slightly to get theirs in. There are no perfect fits in bike racks because every bike and rack is different. If your bike is too precious to be touched in this way, which is a normal part of everyday biking life, then don't use shared racks. There's no need to get all macho gorilla monsoon about it.
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Why would someone buy this product? I'm not trying to be confrontational: What would make a consumer choose this lock over one opened using a traditional key? Is it simply that a key-lock can more easily be picked? Most locks are defeated by being broken, not picked. A fingerprint-reading mechanism would require a power-source (a downside), and it would cost more to implement (I believe) than a cylinder. So, what reasonable advantage over the current standard does this product offer?
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No, it's not, and neither is dropping a coat on the floor like shifting a bike.

You just have to accept that a bike rack is a shared facility: if there's space on there for two, the other dude might well have to shift yours slightly to get theirs in. There are no perfect fits in bike racks because every bike and rack is different. If your bike is too precious to be touched in this way, which is a normal part of everyday biking life, then don't use shared racks. There's no need to get all macho gorilla monsoon about it.
If there is space for two, then there is no reason you should have to touch the other bike.

The "don't tazz me bro" part was a jock, but with your cavalier attitude about shoving others bikes around, I will have to think about it more seriously.
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I managed a high security area for a short time, and I spent way too much time helping people reprogram their fingerprint because the biometric system (which was much bigger than I would want on a bike) would no longer recognize their fingerprints. There was one in particular that had a problem every other day... I think he had translucent fingers or something.

The balance between false positives and false negatives would require a bicycle lock to lean toward allowing non-owners to open the lock in order to ensure that the owner wouldn't be stuck with a locked bike with no way to unlock it.
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