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Old 10-31-09, 07:46 PM
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If you want to know what non-bikers think about us

check out this link. This is from the DC Urban Moms forum about a person who almost hit a biker. My wife discovered this, I try not to read it on a regular basis.

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/76284.page
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Old 10-31-09, 07:58 PM
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Huh. So there really is a forum for everyone.
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Old 10-31-09, 08:16 PM
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I think that most of us know what the non-bikers think of us... not much. We're un-safe, a menace to society, and if they thought they could run us over with impunity, they would do it in a heartbeat.

Despite all of this talk about running red lights and terrorizing little old ladies on the sidewalk, it all boils down to 2 incontrovertible facts: on average a bicycle is slower than a car, and sometimes a bicycle is between a car and where the driver wants to go. Therefore, we are causing delay.

This "debate" has been going on for many years, and as far as I can tell, never changes very much. I suggest we move beyond "anger" to "acceptance". We should all just learn to smile and wave: there's nothing we can do to make the non-bikers like us (or even understand us), and there's not much point in trying.

Just my $.02.
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Old 10-31-09, 08:23 PM
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I was actually amazed at how balanced the responses were in that forum! Most of the time, it's a flaming hate-fest WHENEVER you have drivers talking about cyclists. Only ONE person posted really hateful remarks, and almost lured me in, but I'm trying to taper off in my 'forum addiction'......
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Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
I was actually amazed at how balanced the responses were in that forum! Most of the time, it's a flaming hate-fest WHENEVER you have drivers talking about cyclists. Only ONE person posted really hateful remarks, and almost lured me in, but I'm trying to taper off in my 'forum addiction'......
+1

I've shouted at a couple bike riders lately, one that rode across the crosswalk, when the the lights changed, but when there was a left filter, i.e. he had a RED walk sign. ( and he wasn't even walking ) and for some reason, there seems to be a ridiculous number of guys riding the road with no lights, dull, dark clothes, in busy thoroughfares, in the dark.

Really, you can't afford $4 for a blinky?

I had a cow-irker tell me I'm a poster child for safe biking, he saw me a bout a half kilometer away.
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Old 10-31-09, 11:42 PM
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It's kind of funny - I occasionally read comments from people complaining about how parents let their kids run wild in stores and restaurants. I'm sure most of the urban moms on the list would protest that they're not the ones doing that, it's just a few crappy parents who let their kids misbehave, and that all parents are being tarred with the same brush. Yet some of them are happy to tar all of us with the same brush because one of them almost hit a ninja.

I wonder how many see the irony?
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Originally Posted by mr_antares View Post
I think that most of us know what the non-bikers think of us... not much. We're un-safe, a menace to society, and if they thought they could run us over with impunity, they would do it in a heartbeat.
Actually, they can. In most parts of the world, the only way a driver will go to jail for running over a cyclist is if they stole the car. Believe it or not, the reason most drivers don't run you over is because *gasp* they don't actually hate you and want to kill you. Yeah, hard to believe I know, but next time you're on a ride, why don't you make a note of how many drivers swerve at you, shout at you or throw something at you as a percentage of the total number of drivers you encounter that day. I suspect most of the time, the percentage is something like 0.01%.

Originally Posted by mr_antares View Post
This "debate" has been going on for many years, and as far as I can tell, never changes very much. I suggest we move beyond "anger" to "acceptance". We should all just learn to smile and wave: there's nothing we can do to make the non-bikers like us (or even understand us), and there's not much point in trying.
It's never been a "debate" anyway. Occasionally Joe Sixpack has a bad day at home or at work and wants to release his frustations on someone, and does so on the person who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Guess what? Motorists treat each other the same way they treat cyclists, and they treat pedestrians the same when they actually encounter them. The best thing to do when you encounter someone like this is just ignore them and don't let their bad day ruin your day.
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Originally Posted by aley View Post
It's kind of funny - I occasionally read comments from people complaining about how parents let their kids run wild in stores and restaurants. I'm sure most of the urban moms on the list would protest that they're not the ones doing that, it's just a few crappy parents who let their kids misbehave, and that all parents are being tarred with the same brush. Yet some of them are happy to tar all of us with the same brush because one of them almost hit a ninja.

I wonder how many see the irony?
When was the last time someone let the facts get in the way of posting an anonymous rant on a message board?
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I notice that all the posts on the first page are by "Anonymous". Weird.
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Old 11-01-09, 12:45 AM
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Who are these riders that keep falling off their bikes? I ride thousands of miles a year, commuting, racing, training, transporting kids, and I've never just fallen off my bike. And I've never seen another rider just fall off his bike.
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Old 11-01-09, 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Who are these riders that keep falling off their bikes? I ride thousands of miles a year, commuting, racing, training, transporting kids, and I've never just fallen off my bike. And I've never seen another rider just fall off his bike.
To play the devil's advocate, I've seen riders fall off their bikes - one a couple of days ago actually; a girl rode over wet leaves when cornering and her bike flipped underneath her. Horrible weather, darkness, limited visibility - in theory a car could have hit her.

In the current cultural climate, drivers do for the most part despise cyclists - though this is beginning to change. Most of them do not intentionally hit cyclists, because most of them are not sociopaths and even if the law did not convict them the incident would none the less make them feel bad. Plus it would make them late : )
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I guess so. In my mind, hitting a patch of wet leaves isn't just falling off your bike, but I could see how it would appear so to a driver.
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DC urban moms? How odd.

It's hard for me to think of cyclist when someone says "biker".
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Originally Posted by mr_antares View Post
I think that most of us know what the non-bikers think of us... not much.
I would hope that most of us have both the maturity and intelligence to know that large, broadly-defined groups of people like "non-bikers" do not share uniform opinions and attitudes.

"Attention, Bikeforums members: your junior high school called. They would like their drama back."

Sheesh.
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Originally Posted by mr_antares View Post
I think that most of us know what the non-bikers think of us... not much. We're un-safe, a menace to society, and if they thought they could run us over with impunity, they would do it in a heartbeat.

Despite all of this talk about running red lights and terrorizing little old ladies on the sidewalk, it all boils down to 2 incontrovertible facts: on average a bicycle is slower than a car, and sometimes a bicycle is between a car and where the driver wants to go. Therefore, we are causing delay.

This "debate" has been going on for many years, and as far as I can tell, never changes very much. I suggest we move beyond "anger" to "acceptance". We should all just learn to smile and wave: there's nothing we can do to make the non-bikers like us (or even understand us), and there's not much point in trying.

Just my $.02.

So True.

But some of these non-bikers need to travel outside the US to see how much bikes are used in other countries, they'd be amazed and enlightened (I'd hope).
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OP here again. The fact that nearly all posts are anonymous on the DC Urban Moms forums leads to some pretty harsh comments. Sometimes the other subject matter areas of that forum can be helpful though, such as finding a day care place, a kid friendly restaurant, where to get a vaccine, etc. etc.

We compare the tone of responses on DC Urban Mom with this forum and another weight lifting forum I use and the tone is nearly always worse on DC Urban Moms, go figure.
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So... there really is a "soccermoms.com" LOL!
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So... there really is a "soccermoms.com" LOL!
What else would they do all day, while their kids are in school, the maid is cleaning the house, and they pay someone else to do the yardwork?
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If allowed to run unchecked, cars make people angry and sad. Some people blame everyone else they see for this. Others have started to figure out that it's the cars and begun to muse on that truth.
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Originally Posted by DX-MAN View Post
I was actually amazed at how balanced the responses were in that forum! Most of the time, it's a flaming hate-fest WHENEVER you have drivers talking about cyclists. Only ONE person posted really hateful remarks, and almost lured me in, but I'm trying to taper off in my 'forum addiction'......
Tend to agree... it was pretty balanced.

The biggest issues seemed to be cyclists riding in dark clothing with no lights (the opening post) and cyclists that run stop lights and then have to be passed over and over again.

To tell the truth I have problems with light running cyclists too.

I understand that not all lights trigger for us, but if there is motor traffic parallel to you, the light will trigger, and getting ahead of motor traffic that has to pass you again makes no sense what so ever. If you can get ahead and stay ahead, that is one thing (and those situations do occur, rarely) but otherwise don't play games with motorists... really.

Now sadly the thread seemed to end on a bad note.
Wow, a lot of fat pissed off soccer mommies out there.
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Occasionally Joe Sixpack has a bad day at home or at work and wants to release his frustations on someone, and does so on the person who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
It's more of a problem than simple "human nature" when the person has a lethal weapon at their disposal...a weapon for which we, as a society, require no real accountability for.
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