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Old 11-03-09, 01:19 PM
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Bontrager Race Lite Hardcase - Tread coming off???

You probably have seen parts of car tires along the road side that look like the retread just came off... well my tires on my bike are starting to do the same thing. The tread just is not glued to the Kevlar, the tread's thickness is about the same as a penny so it does not seem overly worn so I am wondering if I just got a defective batch or is this normal?

In all other respects I love this tire but I would like some feedback should I continue with this brand or look into something else?

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Old 11-03-09, 02:06 PM
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I had some 28's on my old fixed gear and noticed that they were "ok" but didn't grip well when the streets were excessively wet. I never had issues with tread failure from normal commuting.

My buddy used them and had a problem with split tread, but he skidded all the time .
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How many miles do you have on them?
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They are my favorite commuting tire and I have yet to experience tread delamination with them although I have heard of other people having this problem with these tires. My current set is about 3 months old with probably about a thousand miles on them and they still look great. I'm using the 25's. I've found them to be a very durable, well wearing tire with decent handling but I suppose a bad batch is always possible. My commuting is on okay, but not great roads and I ride hard and fast most days and they haven't let me down yet.
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Old 11-03-09, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by shouldberiding View Post
How many miles do you have on them?
~6000 and about a year old.
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You mean like this? Yup. 7000 miles. I was kinda bummed, clearly they would have run a lot longer if the tread hadn't come unglued.
I'm running Marathons now. However, this only happened on my rear tire, the front, with less weight, hasn't delaminated yet. I have it around as a spare.

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Geeze, you guys are having better luck than me. I get about 3,500 miles on a rear before that happens. Hasn't happened to the front yet.

I'm about to replace the second rear tire this has happened to, and I'm really on the fence. I like everything else about these tires. The anti-pinch-flat magic is just astonishing. I've bent rims without pinch flatting.
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Yeah. I kinda rolled my eyes at that poor tire going bad at a "mere" 7000 miles.
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Originally Posted by Dirt Farmer View Post
Yeah. I kinda rolled my eyes at that poor tire going bad at a "mere" 7000 miles.
I got 6000 miles out of the crappy Kenda tires that my bike shipped with. I've never gotten less than 6000 miles out of a set of tires, so I was kind of bummed to only get 7000 miles out of a set of tires I paid $70 for at the LBS, when I got 6000 out of a $30 set of tires.

I made some lemonade though; the wrecked hardcase got the beads cut off and used it for a tire liner in my Nokians when the studs started coming through the inside a couple of years ago.
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post
You mean like this? Yup. 7000 miles. I was kinda bummed, clearly they would have run a lot longer if the tread hadn't come unglued.
I'm running Marathons now. However, this only happened on my rear tire, the front, with less weight, hasn't delaminated yet. I have it around as a spare.
Not like this, I would be happy with a skid patch (which is when I generally replaced other tire brands.)
Originally Posted by ItsJustMe View Post

This is closer as it shows the center strip "delaminating" as you put it. But on my rear tire the center strip ripped and was flopping around like a band-aid stuck on by only one side.
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Originally Posted by Dirt Farmer View Post
Yeah. I kinda rolled my eyes at that poor tire going bad at a "mere" 7000 miles.
It's more like I am weirded out by the way the tire fails, I never experienced anything like it before. If it's normal and generally not a safety issue then I'll replace with the same brand, otherwise I am considering switching brands.
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Old 11-03-09, 09:51 PM
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Good god man be happy, looks like you got your money out of those rubberbands.
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Mine did the exact same thing after maybe 300 miles. Looks nearly the same as the first picture ItsJustMe posted. They seem to be very delicate tires, along with being prone to flat, and overly stiff.

Along with the tread just peeling away, every little pebble seemed to cut away chunks of rubber. For $40+ they're crap tires. Returned it to my LBS, got a new one, it's been shelved for emergencies.
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Just had this happen to a pair of Vittoria Randonneur's that I picked up with a used set of wheels. The rear was a bit dry rotted, after a about 200 miles on them, the freaking tread came off in a 2 inch section. Needless to say.... I had to get new tires.

I'm suprised about the bonty hard cases.... had some back in 06.... they were fine high mileage tires, though slick in the rain..
 
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Just had this happen to a pair of Vittoria Randonneur's that I picked up with a used set of wheels. The rear was a bit dry rotted, after a about 200 miles on them, the freaking tread came off in a 2 inch section. Needless to say.... I had to get new tires.
Dry rot is fun stuff. The hard-case I was riding was new, otherwise I'd suspect aging damage.
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Originally Posted by MilitantPotato View Post
Dry rot is fun stuff. The hard-case I was riding was new, otherwise I'd suspect aging damage.
WOW..... must have been a flawed tire.
 
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Originally Posted by MilitantPotato View Post
Mine did the exact same thing after maybe 300 miles. Looks nearly the same as the first picture ItsJustMe posted. They seem to be very delicate tires, along with being prone to flat, and overly stiff.

Along with the tread just peeling away, every little pebble seemed to cut away chunks of rubber. For $40+ they're crap tires. Returned it to my LBS, got a new one, it's been shelved for emergencies.
You must have had a bad tire. I have about 1500 miles on my commuter bike with the 700Cx32. I weight about 215 and the bike fully loaded for commuting weights about 60 Lbs (that includes lights, bags, lock, food, drink, clothing, etc and about 30 Lbs bike). On my road bike I have about 1500 miles as well on 700Cx25. The roads here in the Buffalo are definitely NOT knows for their smoothnes. Both sets of tires look great. The rear tires show a little wear and the fronts look nearly as good as new. I like these tires infinitely better than the Bontrager Invert Selects that came with the bike (the tread held onto road grit... a recipie for lots of flats as the tires aged).

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Well, it wasn't a good tire.

Different batches can vary wildly in many ways, I've noticed. I've had a set of Schwalbes so out of spec they'd fall off the rim, another with puncture protection layer no thicker than a hair in spots and 2-3mm thick in others.

I still stand by the delicate remark. After a few hundred miles on limestone rail to trail they look terrible. The Randos I'm using have covered twice the distance and show no damage.

They're great on the street for grip though, very soft compound. Ride is junk IMO. It's a very stiff tire.
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You must have had a bad tire. I have about 1500 miles on my commuter bike with the 700Cx32.
My tires looked great at 1500 miles too. And 3000, and 6000. The tread fell off at 7000. Or at least, that's when I noticed it. On the rear wheel, with fenders, it's easy to miss the top of the tread coming off.
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I never get this much wear out of a tire, I've just done about 6000km on my contis before replacing the back one, it's never about wear it's the structural damage done by glass over time when the compound of the rubber seems to fade. Huge rips caused by glass and other stuff that's what do me.
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Seems it's common with Bontrager Race lites according to my LBS. I really couldn't tell how many miles I had on my rear Hard Case before the tread separated, but I figure it was at least over 2000 miles. I first noticed a small chunk of tread missing then soon discovered another 2 to 3 inch section of tread was starting to pull away from the casing as well. My front Race light is doing fine, and I've put another 1000 plus miles since I replaced the rear tire.
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Well how many miles do tires normally last? I've only been riding for a year, I know nothing.
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