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Lock Questions-- Onguard Beast and Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit

Old 11-09-09, 03:42 AM
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Lock Questions-- Onguard Beast and Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit

Greetings, everyone:

First post here. I am in the market for a new lock to secure my beloved HardRock. While it's definitely a lower-end bike, I hope that a good lock, used effectively, will keep it secure.

After a lot of research and searching, I've narrowed it down to several locks:

1. Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit 1410 (3'3" version)

Pros:

- Kryptonite name and reputation
- 14mm six-sided chain links
- 15mm steel shackle
- "NY style" disc-lock

Cons:

- Weaker than a comparable Fahgettaboudit U-Lock
- Heavy
- 3'3" may be too short?

2. Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit U-Lock

Pros:

- Lighter than the chain version
- Stronger than the chain version
- 18mm shackle

Cons:

- Not long enough for some applications.
- Not wide enough to accomodate some poles or immovable objects

3. Onguard Beast 5016 Chain Lock

Pros:

- 16.8mm shackle (larger than the one on a similarly priced Kryptonite)
- Quattro-locking mechanism

Cons:

- Some reports of poor durability compared to Kryptonite
- Some issues with locks rusting or poor machining?

Questions:

1. Of the three, which one should I buy? I understand that locks are like religion, everyone has an opinion, but still I'd like to hear your thoughts.
2. If I get a chain lock, should I purchase the 3'3" length or the 5' length?
3. Kryptonite and Onguard make chains with both 12mm and 14mm size links. Is the 14mm link a significant improvement over the 12mm? The 14mm versions are priced about 50% more, at least for the Onguard models.
4. Should I purchase the chain or the u-lock? Or both? Something tells me that the u-lock is just plain stronger, but its small size theoretically limits its usefulness.

Thanks!
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Old 11-09-09, 04:08 AM
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I use Krypto's Evolution series (orange) locks.

- I have the 3'3" chain with an Evolution disc lock to secure the front wheel & frame to object
- I have the Evolution mini U lock to secure rear wheel to frame or rear wheel to object (Sheldon Brown style).

Note about mini u locks: My mountain bike has 26x1.9" knobbies and my mini u lock is NOT large enough to lock the rear wheel to the seat tube.
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Old 11-09-09, 04:31 AM
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Security is only useful in a specific situation with specific variables.

Some big questions are how long are you leaving your bike unattended? Where are you leaving it? Is it in a public area with many people around during the day, or are you leaving it in a back alley over night? Things like this should be considered as there is no such thing as perfect security or being guaranteed your bike won't be stolen. All you can really hope for from your lock is that it's a good enough deterrent to keep thieves from trying to steal your bike in the situation.

Personally, I use two locks, a kryptonite cable lock for general daily use (which I should say is around a heavily populated university campus) and for locking my bike to my porch wall at night (which doesn't have a place where my u-lock can fit), as well as a u-lock if I'm leaving my bike unattended for long periods of time (especially at night or in low population areas where someone could spend time trying to steal my bike).

Specifically, I use the Kryptonite KryptoFlex 1218 Key Cable and the Kryptonite New York Lock STD U-Lock.

The cable lock is long enough to wrap through the front wheel, through the back and the frame, and around most objects. This keeps all wheels and frame secure, so long as a thief can't break the locking mechanism or cut the cable. While those points may not be too difficult to do for a knowledgeable or well equipped thief, I haven't had any problems in the places I use it.

The U-lock fits around the rear wheel and frame, though without good position and a pretty small bar to lock it to, it's useless. The dimensions are difficult to work with in certain places and I definitely wouldn't want to solely rely on just having the u-lock (even though it's stronger and "more secure" than the cable lock), as sometimes it just doesn't fit.
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Old 11-09-09, 05:38 AM
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If you get a chain lock and you're planning to carry it around with you, get the three ft version. Those Kryptonite chains weigh about eight million pounds.
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http://www.bikeregistry.com/estore/p...f3b383b0f10fbe Here is another alternative.
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Old 11-09-09, 06:00 AM
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If you buy the chain and weight isn't a concern, get the 5' one...it's just long enough to run it through your saddle, frame, and rear wheel to a rack.

The Kryptonite Fahgettaboudit U-Lock (3.25" x 6") is too short for most apps. The OnGuard Brute LS 5000 U-Lock (4.2" x 10.25") or Kryptonite New York LS U-Lock (4" x 10.25") are better sized to work with a variety of bike racks that you may encounter/have to use.

Many are now carrying an extra u-lock to lock the front wheel to the frame. People aren't top keen on having their carbon forks touching the ground to use the 'remove the front wheel and lock it together with the rear wheel' strategy.

Master Lock Force 6 (3/4" thick, 3.25" x 9") is a decent low cost lock:
http://www.bikesomewhere.com/bikesom...t/37/193/24230
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/p/3...le-U-Lock.html

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The chain weighs a hell of a lot. It does work, it does the trick etc. etc. but you will definitely notice carrying it with you.

It is more versatile, and harder to break open than a u-lock, at least as I understand it (I may really really be wrong about this), but as with any lock that is tough-ish, it's going to tip the scales.
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I recently bought a Krypto NY Noose- 4'3" long with 12mm links. I'm very happy with how it functions in the field. The noose design really does make it easier to find something suitable to lock to. Very heavy (8.5 lbs.) but the increased security and convenience is worth it.

Make no mistake, there's not a lock out there that's invincible.
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Originally Posted by jagsfanrick View Post

....and a good one. I received mine in the mail a couple days ago.
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I bought an Onguard Bulldog Mini 7. Its a little larger than the usual mini and little smaller than the standard U-lock. I had the Onguard Brute Standard and it was way to heavy and cumbersome for me. I figured if someone goes through enough trouble to bring an angle grinder or whatever means necessary to defeat my lock; then my bike is as good as gone (thank goodness it hasn't happened).

I think Irvent touched on some very important points that need to be considered. 1) Amount and type of crime (Professional thief vs. crimes of opportunity), 2) where and how long bike will be unattended, 3) Weight, and 4) $$$

As for my suggestion get at least two different types of locks (Ulock and chain). If weight and money is not a concern the Fugedhaboudits (sp?) are always amongst the best. You might also consider skewer and/or seatpost locks.
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