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Old 12-21-09, 09:51 PM
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Front rack eyelets?

To celebrate the end of the year and my return to commuting (my last daily commuter was stolen)...my family finally being healthy after a month straight of ER/doctor/specialist visits...and just because I like the bike, I ended up getting a 1986 Bridgestone 400. It is a smooth ride to say the least and the geometry is something more akin to "sport touring". It looks like someone rode it around the block a couple times back in 1986 and then stuffed it in the garage for 24 years. Since I am a huge Shimano 600 fan I am planning to replace parts as they wear out or I can find them cheaply...(Sorry no pictures of my own yet)...

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There are eyelets on the fork, something none of my other bikes have. Is this just for running fenders or are these eyelets also used for front racks? I would like to do some light, one or two day touring adventures aside from having it as my daily commute.
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There are some racks that will mount off the drop out eyelets but most people use those for fenders.

http://www.rei.com/product/768569

Surly Nice rack uses them. Here is the instructions.
http://surlybikes.com/uploads/downlo...ck_instruc.pdf
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The location of those eyelets makes them best suited for fender mounting, since a rack would have to cross the fork blade. Mostly I've seen touring forks with rack eyelets at the top of the dropouts or lowrider mounts midway up the fork blade.
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Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
The location of those eyelets makes them best suited for fender mounting, since a rack would have to cross the fork blade. Mostly I've seen touring forks with rack eyelets at the top of the dropouts or lowrider mounts midway up the fork blade.
You can make them work for racks. My Cannondale has dual mounts but I only use the ones behind the blades



The Tubus Tara rack was easier to mount that way. You just need something for a stand-off. And I've not had any trouble with the mount working loose or breaking even with heavy loads.
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The location of those eyelets makes them best suited for fender mounting, since a rack would have to cross the fork blade. Mostly I've seen touring forks with rack eyelets at the top of the dropouts or lowrider mounts midway up the fork blade.
The eyelets on the top/front of the fork are for certain kinds of racks (not lowrider racks). These eyelets are the "classic" rack eyelets.
The eyelets on the bottom/rear of the fork are for lowrider racks and/or fenders. These eyelets are the "classic" fender eyelets.

Since the non-lowrider racks are not very common any more, the front eyelets don't serve much purpose. (This is a "old style" rack that uses the top/front eyelets: http://www.velo-orange.com/cofrra.html )

Lowrider racks are a fairly-recent invention (late 1970s?). They are supposed to use the bottom/rear eyelets.

The Tubus Tara rack has eyelets for fenders. That is, you mount the Tara to the bottom/rear eyelets and mount the fender to the eyelet tabs of the Tara rack.

If you use the Tara rack with fenders, make sure you don't trim too much of the fender stays IF you want to be able to use the fenders without the rack (or buy a separate set of stays).

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Oh i like that front rack. Simple and not so conspicuous as the silver ones.
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Oh i like that front rack. Simple and not so conspicuous as the silver ones.
It's a nice rack (and expensive).

http://www.thetouringstore.com/ is a good source for Tubus products (I'm a happy customer).
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
The eyelets on the top/front of the fork are for certain kinds of racks (not lowrider racks). These eyelets are the "classic" rack eyelets.
The eyelets on the bottom/rear of the fork are for lowrider racks and/or fenders. These eyelets are the "classic" fender eyelets.

Since the non-lowrider racks are not very common any more, the front eyelets don't serve much purpose. (This is a "old style" rack that uses the top/front eyelets: http://www.velo-orange.com/cofrra.html )

Lowrider racks are a fairly-recent invention (late 1970s?). They are supposed to use the bottom/rear eyelets.

The Tubus Tara rack has eyelets for fenders. That is, you mount the Tara to the bottom/rear eyelets and mount the fender to the eyelet tabs of the Tara rack.

If you use the Tara rack with fenders, make sure you don't trim too much of the fender stays IF you want to be able to use the fenders without the rack (or buy a separate set of stays).
I am about to install a Tubus Nova rack on my Surly LHT. I currently have a set of SKS P45 fenders on the bike, and I trimmed the front fender stays to make them conform to the wheel as best as possible. However, I'm realizing that the Tubus Nova rack must be installed on the LHT's rear eyelet, and like you mention, the Nova has an eyelet tab that my SKS fenders can attach to. Question is should I install the Nova rack, trim the fender stays again, and attach the fenders to the rack's eyelet, or should I just use a longer bolt to attach both the fender and rack to the rear fork eyelet? FWIW, I'm probably going to leave the front rack on at all times, and as such, I'm leaning toward trimming the fender stays to work with the Nova rack. Just curious what others typically do.
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However, I'm realizing that the Tubus Nova rack must be installed on the LHT's rear eyelet, and like you mention, the Nova has an eyelet tab that my SKS fenders can attach to. Question is should I install the Nova rack, trim the fender stays again, and attach the fenders to the rack's eyelet, or should I just use a longer bolt to attach both the fender and rack to the rear fork eyelet? FWIW, I'm probably going to leave the front rack on at all times, and as such, I'm leaning toward trimming the fender stays to work with the Nova rack. Just curious what others typically do.
The stays can be shorter if you mount the fender to the rack eyelet. The problem is that if you trim the stay to be "perfect" for that, they will be too short to fit on the dropout eyelet.

I trimmed the stays so I could put the fender on either eyelet. If you want to be able to install them in both ways, you won't be able to use the black plastic caps on the ends of the stays.

As an alternative (if you need to), you can buy an extra set of stays.

I think things are going to be more stable and strong if you don't mount everything through one bolt.
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How do I mount this front rack with only one rear eyelet?
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The location of those eyelets makes them best suited for fender mounting, since a rack would have to cross the fork blade. Mostly I've seen touring forks with rack eyelets at the top of the dropouts or lowrider mounts midway up the fork blade.
I'm reviving this if anyone is still out there... Crossing the fork blade on a front rack is my current problem! I have a Soma Lucas 2 Mini, and a Soma Double Cross 2014 with a front fork with only a rear eyelet.

Option A. Get a longer 5mm screw and plastic washers so that the rack can screw on above the fork bulge. Is this design structurally sound? Will the weight (10kg / 22 lbs max rack weight) of a loaded rack be too much for a longer Allen screw with a plastic washer in between the screw and fork eyelet? Where can I find a selection of 5mm screws and washers to experiment with? Does Loews have Allen screws of varying length?

Option B. Does anyone know of a rear to front eyelet metal part "extender"? I have a couple of Tubus rear racks and they do a fantastic job of including everything you'll ever need to mount with their racks. However, the little plate is custom to Tubus. Nothing came with the Soma, and their customer support is beyond horrible (topic for a separate post). I've searched around and haven't found anything more generic get.

How do i mount this front rack with only one rear eyelet?
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How do i mount this front rack with only one rear eyelet?
Longer bolts , put a couple presta stem nuts* under the rack to clear the fork blade,
and a nylock nut on the far side to get it vibration proof secure..
* or the SKS mudguard safety release pieces..


no Lowe's here (so I cant say) my LBS has a variety of bolt lengths ,
supposing it's the common.. 5mm x0.8 tpmm x 'X' long.

and what they lack I go to a local Marine service shop,
because it's a commercial fishing port, here.


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Longer bolts , put a couple presta stem nuts* under the rack to clear the fork blade,
and a nylock nut on the far side to get it vibration proof secure..
* or the SKS mudguard safety release pieces..


no Lowe's here (so I cant say) my LBS has a variety of bolt lengths ,
supposing it's the common.. 5mm x0.8 tpmm x 'X' long.

and what they lack I go to a local Marine service shop,
because it's a commercial fishing port, here.


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That is genius. I'm recycling those presta nuts all the time, now they can be put to use. Can you elaborate on using an "SKS safety release piece" instead of a couple of presta nuts as washers? Do you mean an SKS safety release piece "connected to nothing" because the SKS pieces are about the right thickness to serve as a thick plastic washer?

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