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sggoodri 06-25-10 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by CCrew (Post 11013915)
Today was the first day back. I parked in the parking garage, but not in the racks. I'll take pictures of the racks, no true cyclist would put their bike in them.

Interesting though was that I got in at 5:30am, and the racks were almost full. There aren't 20 people in the building at that time (2200 people in the building during hours). Talked to one of the other guys that cycles, he said most have been in the racks for MONTHS. Seems that many employees store their bikes there rather than storing them at home.

This afternoon when I left, the racks were literally a *mound* of bikes. I've never seen anything like it. I had found an area in the back of the next floor down that was clear and locked off to a gas pipe.

Funny part is that the security monkeys made three trips through my office area today.. obviously looking to see if there were bikes up there. First time they've ever been there in two months. I figure I'll play nice for a bit, let it blow over, document the mess that the bike racks are, and start taking my bike upstairs again. I'll give it two weeks or so.
In the meantime the lower floors seem to be unused with plenty to lock to, probably because the ramps between floors are hella crazy steep. But what's also funny is that I can get into the parking garage, then hit the elevators without security ever seeing me, since I only have to deal with them when entering the alley to the garage.. once I get past them and badge into the garage there's no more checkpoints.

It's good that your company has a covered area for bike parking; many don't. It's unfortunate that it is overcrowded and that many bikes are mostly unused.

One way to obtain the cooperation of the security staff is to speak in terms of their mission. You have a reasonable interest - to secure valuable property from theft and damage. The security staff and building management should be part of that solution, and how you ask them may affect the outcome. Will they see their mission as protecting your bike from hostile elements, or will they see you and your bike as the hostile element from which they must protect the building, employees, and company liability?

I recommend that you don't lock to any ramp railings if the bike will be in the potential path of a wheelchair, and avoid locking in any hallways or balcony overlooks. These locations will likely violate ADA and/or fire codes.

CCrew 06-25-10 07:55 AM

Security will have bigger fish to fry now.... this is frigging hysterical.

I run the IT dept, and one of our duties is to maintain the security cameras, since they're on our IP network.

We have a lady lawyer, who to put it nicely is more than a small pain in the behind, because she has a major OCD issue. She's been complaining that someone's been moving the couch in her office. Not across the room, but just like an inch or so, almost daily. We've been pretty much blowing it off due to her condition, but to make it go away I had one of the helpdesk guys set up a minicam in the office.

Yup, the couch was getting moved alright.. My two members of the cleaning crew that were using it for some late night lovemaking :)

That'll keep the security guys mind off the bike :P

sggoodri 06-25-10 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by esmith2039 (Post 11016330)
Security camera's have a high failure rate don't ever count on one. If they are working highly doubt you can see anything.

Security guards notice things happen and call police. They check badges or otherwise know who belongs where and who doesn't. They aren't fooled by hats pulled low to cover the face. They check the doors, locks and alarms regularly. "Smart" cameras with on-board motion and shape analysis still aren't reliable enough at a practical price point to accomplish more than a tiny fraction of what security guards do (I work in computer vision, security video technology, and video forensics.) My own workplace is required by federal law to have a security guard on site for these reasons.

Our security guards have never shown any concern over my bike. If I walk in the door early or leave late, however, they always come around to verify who I am.

sggoodri 06-25-10 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by CCrew (Post 11016885)
Yup, the couch was getting moved alright.. My two members of the cleaning crew that were using it for some late night lovemaking :)

That'll keep the security guys mind off the bike :P

How many times did you say to yourself: "I will not put this on YouTube. I will not put this on YouTube. I will not...."

colleen c 06-25-10 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by CCrew (Post 11016885)
Security will have bigger fish to fry now.... this is frigging hysterical.

I run the IT dept, and one of our duties is to maintain the security cameras, since they're on our IP network.

We have a lady lawyer, who to put it nicely is more than a small pain in the behind, because she has a major OCD issue. She's been complaining that someone's been moving the couch in her office. Not across the room, but just like an inch or so, almost daily.We've been pretty much blowing it off due to her condition, but to make it go away I had one of the helpdesk guys set up a minicam in the office.

Yup, the couch was getting moved alright.. My two members of the cleaning crew that were using it for some late night lovemaking :)

That'll keep the security guys mind off the bike :P

Spread the rumor someone been parking their bike behind the couch, hence reason for it being moved. I bet anything that guard wil be watching that couch 24/7 :lol:

Itsjustb 06-25-10 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by CCrew (Post 11016885)
Security will have bigger fish to fry now.... this is frigging hysterical.

I run the IT dept, and one of our duties is to maintain the security cameras, since they're on our IP network.

We have a lady lawyer, who to put it nicely is more than a small pain in the behind, because she has a major OCD issue. She's been complaining that someone's been moving the couch in her office. Not across the room, but just like an inch or so, almost daily. We've been pretty much blowing it off due to her condition, but to make it go away I had one of the helpdesk guys set up a minicam in the office.

Yup, the couch was getting moved alright.. My two members of the cleaning crew that were using it for some late night lovemaking :)

That'll keep the security guys mind off the bike :P

As soon as I read this I forwarded it to all my friends. You're right, that is HYSTERICAL.

CCrew, I have another idea. Put this bumper sticker on your bike and park it in the rack. When Security calls the police and the police dismantle your bike, you can claim that the bike was worth WAY more than it actually was. ;)

whitecat 06-25-10 09:35 AM

Thats simply incredible. I mean that with the sticker. So they believe everything is say on some sticker on a bike? They cant see it's a...bike? Ffs. That's even better then ccrew's story about the couch, well at least that one made me laugh :lol:

dynodonn 06-25-10 09:39 AM

After reading more of these threads, I'm again happy that I don't have to play a BS cat and mouse game with a building security team over bicycle parking, especially in light of the covert "bicycle sweep" through CC's office. :rolleyes:

Kimmitt 06-25-10 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by esmith2039 (Post 11016330)
We have a job just like anyone else. And just any other job there are idiots in our profession.

Yeah, the difference on this one is that if a customer service agent I talk to is an idiot, I can get transferred to some other schmuck. If my security guard is an idiot, I can either get beaten senseless -- or I get harassed by a dude with a tiny weiner.

OP's got a great attitude toward all this, but this is some guy getting off on hurting someone. Sadism is not ever really awesome, even petty sadism.

slcbob 06-25-10 10:06 AM

OK, just to connect a few dots since I was transmitting in burst in the context of prior posts which are long lost, and I just wet my pants laughing about how "tidy" OCD Law's office is :lol:


Originally Posted by esmith2039 (Post 11016330)
As a security guard and have been one for many years thanks for reminding me why I don't intervene and don't give two clicks about most employees. It's the attitudes you can see it on here. I can tell most have the same toward any law enforcement. We have a job just like anyone else. And just any other job there are idiots in our profession. Policies are not cut and dry alot of it is political hind quarter kissin' which I don't do. Just remember if your tail is on the line remember whose toes you stepped on.. there's a few employees where I work if they're getting the tar knocked out of them I'm not hurrying to the scene I bet they did something to deserve it.

Bingo. emsmith2039, please check my earlier post if you thought I didn't realize that and have a LOT of appreciation for that. I know my last drive-by about cameras and bananas probably came off in the "attitude" zone without the context I didn't add: security guards do more than just observe & witness (refuting prior post) and there is a difference between poorly run, low paying "guard" companies and professional outfits (poorly said by me: you get what you pay for).


If something happens on the street we can not intervene we will lose our license. That's what the police are for. City licensing is very strict on this. Security camera's have a high failure rate don't ever count on one. If they are working highly doubt you can see anything.
Such restrictions vary widely by municipality and are highly dependent on the type of security position -- badge processor, firewatch, armed guard, etc. But they are very real. As is the "get my @$$ kicked for $6 / hr?" legit pushback in really violent situations.


Originally Posted by sggoodri (Post 11016927)
Security guards notice things happen and call police. They check badges or otherwise know who belongs where and who doesn't. They aren't fooled by hats pulled low to cover the face. They check the doors, locks and alarms regularly. "Smart" cameras with on-board motion and shape analysis still aren't reliable enough at a practical price point to accomplish more than a tiny fraction of what security guards do (I work in computer vision, security video technology, and video forensics.) My own workplace is required by federal law to have a security guard on site for these reasons.

Agree. Cameras, other tech and obstacles are only as good as their monitoring. Back to my poorly stated rebuttal of "security just observes" as simplistic.


Originally Posted by sggoodri (Post 11016943)
How many times did you say to yourself: "I will not put this on YouTube. I will not put this on YouTube. I will not...."

OK, got to go chuckle some more. :lol:

I think that's enough posting for me here. Good luck CCrew. Keep us posted! Send a link :roflmao2:

jefferee 06-25-10 10:10 AM

So did the OCD lawyer send the couch away for cleaning and an exorcism, or is she just going to burn it?

Seattle Forrest 06-25-10 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by CCrew (Post 11016885)
Security will have bigger fish to fry now.... this is frigging hysterical.

We have a lady lawyer, who to put it nicely is more than a small pain in the behind, because she has a major OCD issue.

Yup, the couch was getting moved alright.. My two members of the cleaning crew that were using it for some late night lovemaking :)

Did those two members of the cleaning crew happen to know the lady whose couch they were using has OCD? Because if they did, this is the funniest thing I've ever read.

And: she has a couch in her office? :rolleyes:

CCrew 06-25-10 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by jefferee (Post 11017647)
So did the OCD lawyer send the couch away for cleaning and an exorcism, or is she just going to burn it?

Oh, it was out of the office immediately, trust me! . From what I understand everyone's refusing to clean it. Can we say "biohazard" boys and girls? LOL

dynodonn 06-25-10 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by CCrew (Post 11017880)
Oh, it was out of the office immediately, trust me! . From what I understand everyone's refusing to clean it. Can we say "biohazard" boys and girls? LOL

Did the lawyer bring in a Hazmat team to decontaminate her office? I bet the two love birds were not on the team's list if there was to be one. ;)

Kojak 06-25-10 11:54 AM

Why do I hear this funky soundtrack playing in the recesses of my mind? Buh Buh Wowwow boom boom.

jeffpoulin 06-25-10 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by CCrew (Post 11017880)
Oh, it was out of the office immediately, trust me! . From what I understand everyone's refusing to clean it. Can we say "biohazard" boys and girls? LOL

Ewww. So the cleaning people didn't clean up after themselves. How ironic.

Good luck with the office space issue. I used to bring my bike in my office, then we moved into a nicer building where it wasn't allowed, so I parked it in the server room. Now I work for a different company where I'm not allowed to bring it inside at all. However, they're very accommodating for bikes overall. LOTS of people bike commute where I work (10% of the staff in the winter, and up to 30% in the summer). We have 4 bike racks and they're about to add a 5th. The racks are in a secure parking garage with security cameras as well as security staff. Pretty safe overall. Plus, they provide 3 well-maintained company bikes that anyone can reserve for the day using an electronic reservation system similar to reserving a conference room.

Seattle Forrest 06-25-10 12:48 PM


Originally Posted by jeffpoulin (Post 11018392)
The racks are in a secure parking garage with security cameras as well as security staff. Pretty safe overall.


Originally Posted by esmith2039 (Post 11016330)
As a security guard and have been one for many years [ ... snip ... ] there's a few employees where I work if they're getting the tar knocked out of them I'm not hurrying to the scene I bet they did something to deserve it.

What do you think those security staff are going to do when they see somebody try to steal a bike?

PaulRivers 06-25-10 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest (Post 11018500)
What do you think those security staff are going to do when they see somebody try to steal a bike?

...not interfere but call the police? No lock is theft-proof, but a good lock does take time to cut through.

jeffpoulin 06-25-10 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest (Post 11018500)
What do you think those security staff are going to do when they see somebody try to steal a bike?

Probably not much, but their mere presence acts as a deterrent to casual thieves. That's better than nothing.

BassNotBass 06-25-10 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Itsjustb (Post 11017096)
Put this bumper sticker on your bike and park it in the rack.

I had them play at my house when I was renting it out to a bunch of young musicians and it was known as "The Black Bears Lair". I also had that bumper sticker on one of my bikes and was amazed at how many people really took stock in the words.

BCDon 06-25-10 03:31 PM

My come back has been "as long as you pay for it when it is stollen I'll be happy to park it outside". I've been known to bring my bike into a department store, up and down the escalators to buy something because I won't leave it outside.

b_young 06-25-10 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by CCrew (Post 11016885)
Security will have bigger fish to fry now.... this is frigging hysterical.

I run the IT dept, and one of our duties is to maintain the security cameras, since they're on our IP network.

We have a lady lawyer, who to put it nicely is more than a small pain in the behind, because she has a major OCD issue. She's been complaining that someone's been moving the couch in her office. Not across the room, but just like an inch or so, almost daily. We've been pretty much blowing it off due to her condition, but to make it go away I had one of the helpdesk guys set up a minicam in the office.

Yup, the couch was getting moved alright.. My two members of the cleaning crew that were using it for some late night lovemaking :)

That'll keep the security guys mind off the bike :P

Pictures or it never happened

Kojak 06-25-10 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by b_young (Post 11019412)
Video or it never happened

Fixed

esmith2039 06-25-10 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest (Post 11018500)
What do you think those security staff are going to do when they see somebody try to steal a bike?

99% when something happens we're not in the area. Believe it or not security is not a priority to any company. Every place I've been at we've been severely understaffed, inadequate cameras... I could go on for paragraphs. We have caught people stealing phones/other property.. and all those times they either face the KCPD or give up the property they quickly give it back. Had a scooter stolen once at my workplace again we didn't have anybody at the entrance or if would of been stopped.. that was the only time 95% someone is there. Our bike rack is in the same area during the day I'm not worried about my bike.. apparently no one else is either since they don't lock their bikes, I do.

CB HI 06-25-10 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by BianchiDave (Post 11010949)
I park my bike in my office and the building does have a policy on "no bikes in the building" but I am the policy enforcer.
The reason the policy is in place for us is due to a safety issue, set by OSHA. ...

I would love to actually see the OSHA regulation they are claiming prohibits bikes from a building. Please provide the reg - 29CFR_____.

Maybe your bike is the single $30,000.00 bike made out of beryllium and that is the issue.
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/beryllium/b...e_disease.html

Otherwise, if they are simply talking about emergency exit issues, then they need to ban all movable objects such as chairs, boxes of books, carts, etc. that also might end up being stored in emergency exit areas.


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