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ianbrettcooper 09-13-10 07:10 PM

Why the capitalization of 'female'?

Just wondering.

BA Commuter 09-13-10 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by aley (Post 11454003)
Speak for yourself. :)

Most cars don't accelerate away from lights all that fast - I regularly outsprint most cars across intersections (not, of course, if they're trying to race me, but most aren't). Even the ones that do "jackrabbit" starts are not really launching all that hard. So I avoid the situation of being passed in the intersection by staying close behind the car in front (if there is one) or sprinting hard enough to surprise most drivers that I'm out of the way (if I'm at the front of the line). By the time they've realized that I'm not ambling across the intersection like I don't have a care in the world, I'm on the other side doing 25 mph.

It's not like I'm some sort of super sprinter - just a middle-aged, somewhat overweight guy on a bike. I don't find it hard to beat cars for 30-50 feet, though.

I can get the jump on most cars as well. Gotta watch those Toyotas with sticky pedals!

For the passer iceholes, I come right along side them and stare em down. I have smacked a window or 2 with the side of my fist!

CCrew 09-13-10 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by AdamDZ (Post 11445982)
many cyclists are self-centered, arrogant idiots who think they have an exclusive right to use the road - get used to that.

Fixed it for ya. It truly goes both ways.

ianbrettcooper 09-13-10 11:28 PM


many cyclists are self-centered, arrogant idiots who think they have an exclusive right to use the road - get used to that.

Originally Posted by CCrew (Post 11459833)
Fixed it for ya. It truly goes both ways.

Some of us may be self-centred, some of us may even be arrogant idiots, but do you really think many cyclists think they have an 'exclusive' right to the road? Seriously?

An 'equal' right, sure. And in the eyes of many motorists that makes us 'uppity troublemakers who need to be taught a lesson'.

It doesn't go both ways. Not even close.

sggoodri 09-14-10 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Chalupa102 (Post 11445967)
I have no idea how to prevent them because I'm clearly making my intentions known by taking the lane of travel to where I'm going, signaling like I should be ahead of time, etc.

You're doing everything right - by controlling the lane, the occasional Bozos you describe are probably giving you more room than they otherwise would, and you've got more room to maneuver if they start to encroach back into your lane early. It's true that these drivers are impatient and see you as an obstacle, but by being a very predictable-acting "obstacle" to them you're less likely to collide with them. Eventually they will grow accustomed to cyclists using the travel lanes properly and drive better. The drivers on my commute seem to have relaxed over the last 10 years.

I occasionally have drivers badly misjudge distance and cross the double yellow to pass me when approaching a red light or stop sign on a two lane road (no turn lanes). They end up stopping on the wrong half of the road, facing oncoming traffic, because I stop in the center of the narrow lane at the stop line. This would seem pretty embarrassing for them. I suspect next time they will think twice about when it's a good time to pass.

CCrew 09-14-10 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by ianbrettcooper (Post 11460698)
Some of us may be self-centred, some of us may even be arrogant idiots, but do you really think many cyclists think they have an 'exclusive' right to the road? Seriously?

An 'equal' right, sure. And in the eyes of many motorists that makes us 'uppity troublemakers who need to be taught a lesson'.

It doesn't go both ways. Not even close.

I think the answer to that depends on where you are. But for the most part yes, I'd say I'm correct. As indicated by the responses to the many "do you stop for stop signs" or "do you stop for red lights" threads that pop up here. There's certainly a large contingent of cyclists that think that because they're driving something other than a car that the rules don't apply to them. Hell, even I'm guilty of some of those behaviors.

Combine that with the A+ personalities of a large portion of cyclists I'd still say yes.

ianbrettcooper 09-14-10 07:59 AM

There is a large contingent of humans that break any law when they think they can get away with it. But your post seemed to imply that that means cyclist scofflaws are an equal part of the problem. I disagree. When a cyclist breaks the law, he may do it through being arrogant and self-centred, but in effect he's being merely stupid because he's only endangering himself. When a motorist speeds (which they pretty much ALL do, ALL the time), he's being much more arrogant and self-centred than the cyclist because he endangers the lives of everyone around him. When was the last time you heard of a cyclist's poor riding killing a motorist? Even if you can find a single example (which I think would take a lot more than a quick internet search), there are literally hundreds of examples of cyclists being killed by driver inattention.

I think the A+ personalities we see in the bike community may have something to do with how vulnerable we feel when faced with a motorist community that wants us off the road and in some cases is willing to risk killing us in order to get it to happen, combined with a law enforcement community which routinely lets drivers who kill cyclists off with little more than a warning. Such attitudes make the development of an A+ personality a survival strategy.

chipcom 09-14-10 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by Chalupa102 (Post 11445967)
Two different scenerios: the first one has happened at least twice and the second happened the other day.

The first one: For me during stops, I line up with the cars in the intersection and don't filter, split lanes, or whatever it's called. I'm coming up to a red light and taking the straight through lane because I'm going straight. There is also a left turn only lane. At least twice recently I've had cars go around me in the left turn only lane and then cut over to the straight lane. Of course, they stop in front of me because there's a red light. Yesterday someone honked at me because I was taking the lane and did this move, then had to hit their brakes, and they saved what, 2 sec at most? :rolleyes:

The second one: I get over to the left turn only lane after signaling a ways before I get in the lane and I made sure it was clear. Once in the turn only lane, I'm still holding out my arm signaling that I'm turning left. There are no stop lights, but just a straight thru and the left only lane. A car passed me and then at the last second pulled into the left only lane in front of me to turn left.

I have no idea how to prevent them because I'm clearly making my intentions known by taking the lane of travel to where I'm going, signaling like I should be ahead of time, etc. Do these things happen to you guys as well?


In both cases you left a gap that is simply too much for rude impatient motorists to resist when behind what they perceive as a slower moving vehicle. You need to either tighten it up and remove the temptation, or hang back and motion for the traffic behind you to pass...falling in behind them.

PaulRivers 09-14-10 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by CCrew (Post 11461435)
I think the answer to that depends on where you are. But for the most part yes, I'd say I'm correct. As indicated by the responses to the many "do you stop for stop signs" or "do you stop for red lights" threads that pop up here. There's certainly a large contingent of cyclists that think that because they're driving something other than a car that the rules don't apply to them. Hell, even I'm guilty of some of those behaviors.

Combine that with the A+ personalities of a large portion of cyclists I'd still say yes.

Yeah, I rather agree as well. With the "I'm on a bike so I should be able to do whatever I want, stupid cars" attitude you see on the forums quite frequently here - and frankly I'm sure the worst offenders don't even come onto the forums - there's no doubt in my mind that the only reason a certain number of bikers aren't even more aggressive is because they're physically smaller than cars. Just take a look at any thread where bikers filter to the front at a stoplight, start up before the cars, then complain because the cars that now have to pass them aren't considerate enough when passing them (usually comments about "they couldn't gotten to where they're going 15 seconds later?", when that's exactly what motivated the cyclist in the first place).

Now to be fair, it *really* depends on where you live. I live with a fairly bike-friendly culture on the streets here in Minnesota. A lot of times I feel that I get more respect on the road on my bike than I get in my car. But I traveled an hour east into Wisconsin for a couple of rides, and it's a whole different ballgame. Motorists are more like the other poster described - pushy, aggressive, like they personally own the road and everyone should get the hell off it - sometimes even other cars. I've had people yell stuff at me in Minnesota (probably teenagers) as they pass me in my car, but that's the worst that's happened. In Wisconsin I had a truck speed past me in the other lane so close that oncoming traffic had to pull off onto the shoulder.

Whole different world. And that's why, I think, some of the arguments can go on forever between otherwise rational people on this topic - because they're genuinely talking about different behavior from the drivers they're interacting with.

ianbrettcooper 09-14-10 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by PaulRivers (Post 11462137)
...Whole different world. And that's why, I think, some of the arguments can go on forever between otherwise rational people on this topic - because they're genuinely talking about different behavior from the drivers they're interacting with.

I think the real problem here is that some of us are out there every day trying to make a point of obeying all the laws, being respectful of other road users, and doing everything right as much as we're able. When we see posts from other cyclists decrying poor cyclist behaviour, it often seems less than supportive. When those posts come from people who go on to admit that they too engage in such behaviour, it seems a bit hypocritical.

travelmama 09-14-10 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by ianbrettcooper (Post 11459517)
Why the capitalization of 'female'?

Just wondering.

Rather than call her what I really thought, I wanted to be nice by calling her a FEMALE.


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