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dahut 09-18-10 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by tjspiel (Post 11485884)
Essential: No. Can one come in handy? Yes.

+1

dynodonn 09-18-10 09:03 PM

My one dislike with cellphones was having to pay out a considerable sum every month for something I hardly used. With the advent of prepaid cell phones and with roll over plans that are very generous for my type of usage, there was no need to keep putting off the inevitable.

My current cellphone experience has been great, no monthly payments, and no more searching for a pay phones(getting harder to find).

cyclokitty 09-18-10 09:47 PM

I carry my cell phone because now and then on my bike rides I like to stop and take a picture of something interesting and text to my friends stuck indoors working. I love it! They hate it! Neener Neener.

gbcb 09-18-10 09:51 PM

Not having a cell phone isn't an option here. Socially, professionally, whatever, and at all levels of society. But I use it for my convenience, not for the convenience of the caller.

colleen c 09-18-10 10:10 PM

I used to have unlimited minute before I took up bike commuting. Today, I need less than 300 minutes a month. Getting away from behind the wheel to behind a handlebar can do that. However, I do carry carry a cell phone only because of my morning commute. Otherwise I really don't need it for the cellphone but I do use it for the other stuff like Craiglist bicycle sale listing :)

Loose Chain 09-18-10 10:22 PM

I was knocked from my bike by two dogs breaking my femur, it was an empty road, I laid there for 30 minutes, unable to move, semi conscious. When I did come too I could not reach my phone, had I been able to, I would have been in the ambulance at least 15 minutes sooner. I think I will carry one.

I use my phone for business, checking on my wife, her checking in with me, we have no house phone, unless y'all use smoke signals or a can on a string, well, maybe rather than bicycles, horses.

ilynne 09-18-10 10:49 PM

People without mobile phones kind of piss me off. And people who have them but keep them turned off -- unless they want to make a call -- REALLY piss me off. These people tend to expect me to have my phone on and answer when they want to call me.

nashvillwill 09-18-10 11:17 PM

No! I don't talk on my phone while i ride.
Yes! I take it with me.
No! I don't talk on my phone while camping.
Yes! I take it with me.
No! I didn't invent fire!
Yes! I can make fire.

I really don't understand the whole "I can survive without technology" thing. I can too, but it is VERY helpful. I want my family to know if i die. I want them to know if it can be prevented! I like changing my own flats, but i like checking hockey scores while i do it. Why the ruckus?

Pay for it or don't. If you pay for it, i guess you are a slave to consumerism. If you don't pay for it, i suppose you are a free bird with a potentially shorter life span.

I really think it's a stupid argument for times that are 'a changin'.

edit; I honestly do respect anyone who can live without technology. I wish i could be that way, but we are all just so very different. That is what makes us great!

Who cares?

AlmostTrick 09-19-10 12:48 AM

I find it hard to believe that some people don’t understand why there is a small backlash against these blasted contraptions. Every third driver is yakking on one when they should be concentrating on driving. People walking in public are oblivious to their surroundings as they focus on pressing tiny little buttons. Visitors coming to my house feel it necessary to call me three times to tell me “where they are now”. Guys in the supermarket can’t pick out a loaf of bread without phoning for assistance. Bike commuters are told they should have one “just in case”. Is it any wonder that some refuse to sign up for this madness?

I know, don’t blame the tool blame the user. But it sure looks to me like this recent convenience has negatively affected our quality of life in ways some fail to even realize. [/rant]

tjspiel 09-19-10 02:22 AM


Originally Posted by ilynne (Post 11487714)
People without mobile phones kind of piss me off. And people who have them but keep them turned off -- unless they want to make a call -- REALLY piss me off. These people tend to expect me to have my phone on and answer when they want to call me.

I didn't have a cell phone until fairly recently. I feel my reasons for not wanting one were and are pretty valid. It just got to the point with smart phones especially that the pros really started to outweigh the cons. I still reserve the right to be "offline" when I choose and I don't expect anyone else to be available for me to call 24/7 either. There are certain types of people who really need uninterrupted time to themselves each day. I'm one of them. I get cranky if I don't have that time. ;)


Originally Posted by AlmostTrick (Post 11487932)
I find it hard to believe that some people don’t understand why there is a small backlash against these blasted contraptions. Every third driver is yakking on one when they should be concentrating on driving. People walking in public are oblivious to their surroundings as they focus on pressing tiny little buttons. Visitors coming to my house feel it necessary to call me three times to tell me “where they are now”. Guys in the supermarket can’t pick out a loaf of bread without phoning for assistance. Bike commuters are told they should have one “just in case”. Is it any wonder that some refuse to sign up for this madness?

I know, don’t blame the tool blame the user. But it sure looks to me like this recent convenience has negatively affected our quality of life in ways some fail to even realize. [/rant]

Cell phones haven't been around long enough for society to have established widely accepted norms for their use. We'll get there.


It's been a very interesting thread. The definition of "essential" is where I'm guessing part of the disagreement comes in. Another way to separate the important gear from the less important is to think about what you would turn around and go back for if you realized you forgot it.

What would you go back and get if you were 2 blocks from home? What would you go back and get if you were a mile from home?

There's some pretty important things I'd decide to do without. Even If I were only 2 blocks from home I'd probably leave my pump. I'd probably go back and get the battery for my light if I had to ride home in the dark, even if it meant turning back after a mile and showing up to work late.

My cell phone? I'd go back a block to get it, but probably not after a mile. To be honest, the only reason I'd go back and get it after a block is that it's so handy to have throughout the day. I don't really care much about it for my commute. Yeah it might be nice to call somebody if I had some sort of problem. But I could fix a flat faster than anyone could come rescue me. For that matter I can get to a bus or train quicker than what it would take for most other help to arrive.

Timber_8 09-19-10 03:11 AM

My blackberry is essential for many things. my occupation requires me to be available 24-7 and it is also a courtesy for the people I love and the ones that love me. It is my music source, Internet, clock, phone, GPS, and it is also my backup modem for my systems when they go down. I think a great deal has to do with your lifestyle & the world does operate through technology and communication is the key to make things operate smoothly. For me the answer is very simple, Yes it is essential for me to have my Blackberry with me at all times because a great deal of people depend on me to make choices and decisions. If your lifestyle puts you in the role of leadership then you have no choice but to embrace technology and communication otherwise you will fail. I have let employees go for not keeping there phones that I pay for on at all times even when they are off the clock. In the world we live in today communication plays a vital role

Cyclist0383 09-19-10 03:23 AM

Seems like the OP has an issue with mobile phones. If you don't like them then don't use them, it's as simple as that.

wolfchild 09-19-10 04:32 AM

It's very funny how some people will use a computer and internet... but they hate cell phones and refuse to use one. A cell phone is just a tool, and it's a personal choice to carry one or not. I've got my first cell phone only about 4 years ago, and I am glad I did.

akohekohe 09-19-10 04:54 AM

I have a pre-paid one from T-mobile. Only costs $10 a year to keep it active after I initially paid $100 several years ago. I've used it several times to phone in other people's emergencies and weird things like a horse in the road. I occasionally use it to call my wife if I will be late so she won't worry. I have twice used it to call the police when motorists were harassing me. This did have the effect of getting the motorists to back off. I think you should carry one just in case you are seriously injured and still conscious so you can dial 911 for an ambulance. I also think it is a good idea as a harassment deterrent.

ItsJustMe 09-19-10 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by khutch (Post 11487108)
A cell phone is just a tool. You don't have to carry a pump, you don't have to carry a phone. You will find either one useful from time to time and you will find the phone useful far more often than the pump.

I've used my pump on the road probably 10 or 12 times. I've never used my phone on the road. If I did use it, it wouldn't be to call for a bail-out unless I had an appointment I was going to miss, it'd just be to leave a message that I was walking the rest of the way home and I'd be an hour late.

Standalone 09-19-10 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by wolfchild (Post 11486574)
Whoa ! Do you really believe that every person that carries a cell phone is because they are living in fear ?? I don't think most bicycle commuters give in and submit to Fear, and if they did they wouldn't be riding their bike in traffic.

Just about every conversation about cell phone necessity or desirability includes the word "emergencies." So not *every* person, but quite possibly the majority.

Originally Posted by aggiegrads (Post 11486795)
I'm not saying that anyone should leave all these things at home because they have a cell phone. I saying that not having any one of those things are the most common newbie mistakes. Even seasoned commuters forget to check the weather or loan out a tube and forget to replenish.

Having a cell phone is a convenience just like having a home phone or the internet is a convenience. Not everyone has the luxury of a flexible schedule that enables them to deal with any repair on the side of the road.

I'm a union guy, and from my perspective, taking on the expense of a cell phone and giving up the right to an understanding boss when a flat tire occurs is unwise. More responsibility for the peons, less for the mgt.

Originally Posted by khutch (Post 11487108)
Actually it is the real world, not a Dune novel and it sounds like when you turn to see fear's path you see a cell phone!

Ken

Correction, I look at cell phones and see heart plugs.

Originally Posted by gbcb (Post 11487518)
Not having a cell phone isn't an option here. Socially, professionally, whatever, and at all levels of society. But I use it for my convenience, not for the convenience of the caller.

This is what I *don't* want to happen here.

Originally Posted by ilynne (Post 11487714)
People without mobile phones kind of piss me off. And people who have them but keep them turned off -- unless they want to make a call -- REALLY piss me off. These people tend to expect me to have my phone on and answer when they want to call me.

:p how come U didn't pick up yesterday?

Originally Posted by nashvillwill (Post 11487789)
I want my family to know if i die. I want them to know if it can be prevented! [...] If you don't pay for it, i suppose you are a free bird with a potentially shorter life span.

fear! fear!

Originally Posted by Ziemas (Post 11488035)
Seems like the OP has an issue with mobile phones. If you don't like them then don't use them, it's as simple as that.

Yes. I don't really like them very much. And I'm discussing this. Maybe I don't like knobby tires too. I might discuss that as well, especially if everyone started acting like I was supposed to be using knobby tires.

Cyclist0383 09-19-10 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Standalone (Post 11488203)
I don't really like them very much. And I'm discussing this. Maybe I don't like knobby tires too. I might discuss that as well, especially if everyone started acting like I was supposed to be using knobby tires.

Huh? Maybe you should reevaluate the people in your life if they are pressuring you to do trivial things you don't want to do. Or it could be that you are hyper-sensitive and want to show as all what a 'free spirit' or 'rebel' you are.

Either way, it's quite simple; don't like them, don't use them.


P.S. When has anyone given a rats ass about which tires you use?

JonnyHK 09-19-10 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by tjspiel (Post 11485884)
Essential: No. Can one come in handy? Yes.

+1 from me too.

You can survive without, but since a *most* people have one these days it seems foolish not to take such a useful tool with you. It can save your bacon in so many different ways.

If you don't want to be interrupted by it - turn it off.

I work in a water sports club and we ask people in certain boat types to take a phone in a dry-bag with them. That one in a million chance you need to be rescued is so much easier if you can phone for help (ie small boats that don't carry flares, VHF marine radio etc). Phones are cheap and reliable with dry-bags a bargain compared to the cost of the boats/kit that people buy (actually, we had a boat owner of a multi-million dollar Cat 1 offshore racing yacht complain about a new safety regulation requiring a new $1000 comms system! 20 people can die on your boat, a-hole, so just buy the new radio!)

Timber_8 09-19-10 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Standalone (Post 11488203)
Just

I'm a union guy, and from my perspective, taking on the expense of a cell phone and giving up the right to an understanding boss when a flat tire occurs is unwise. More responsibility for the peons, less for the mgt.

I have been in upper management for years and the term peons is extremely offensive. Not 1 of my employees is any less important or more important than I am myself or the people I answer too. It takes a collective effort to do anything in this world. My job is to lead & manage, it is just my job & my skill, that doesn't make me more important it is just my role. Do you think that if you are delayed you don't have a responsibility to your team or boss to let him know so that that adjustments can be made to compensate for your delay. Do you think that because you consider yourself a peon that the roll you play on your team doesn't have an effect on others. What about deadlines and appointments that are delayed because you held up your team & you didn't give your boss the courtesy to make adjustments. You can create fines for late and missed appointments or the loss of current and future contracts. There is no such thing as a peon or unnecessary employee. Nobody hired you because your not needed. I'm sorry but that attitude toward your employer and your coworkers and your customers is just selfish. Do you really think there is no problem showing up late without informing your team is acceptable???

There is a big difference between a good worker and a good employee. Good workers are a dime a dozen, a good employee is truly valuable

Standalone 09-19-10 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Ziemas (Post 11488220)
Huh? Maybe you should reevaluate the people in your life if they are pressuring you to do trivial things you don't want to do. Or it could be that you are hyper-sensitive and want to show as all what a 'free spirit' or 'rebel' you are.

Either way, it's quite simple; don't like them, don't use them.


P.S. When has anyone given a rats ass about which tires you use?

WTH? You tell me I can't talk about cell phones. My point is that they're no less trivial than tires or whatever. Sorry you couldn't follow the logic. I'm evaluating the comments of people in the "essential gear" threads and on this one. Not my family, thank you very much. Good grief What's with the sarcastic personal insults? Relax.

Grim 09-19-10 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by tsl (Post 11485835)
Nope. I wouldn't even have a landline if I didn't need it for work.

The sad thing is unless you are using DSL for internet service a Cellphone would likely be cheaper. ;) Regulated land line has nearly $25 on average in taxes and terrifs collected by the guberment. many of these are not on cell bills and Long distance in the US is included. I know in Detroit where there is places it is literally long distance charges to call 10 miles away that cell phones don't pay. If you have cable TV and Cable internet available you might look into going with phone with them or a Voice of IP provider through the cable.

I have no home phone and I can get home phone fore free. All I got was telemarketing calls on it mostly from the phone company (that I work for LOL) trying to get me to buy their Long distance that I didn't need. They were told to quit calling or we will disconnect. They kept calling and we disconnected.

Cyclist0383 09-19-10 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Standalone (Post 11488366)
WTH? You tell me I can't talk about cell phones. My point is that they're no less trivial than tires or whatever. Sorry you couldn't follow the logic. I'm evaluating the comments of people in the "essential gear" threads and on this one. Not my family, thank you very much. Good grief What's with the sarcastic personal insults? Relax.

You really care about what others find to be essential and find it to be pressurizing to you when you don't agree with them? Where's the logic in that?

BTW, where did I ever say anything about telling you you can't talk about mobile phones? Feel paranoid much?

chaadster 09-19-10 08:10 AM

The iPhone has done more to improve the quality of life for more people than anything since the invention of the safety bicycle.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

Standalone 09-19-10 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by Timber_8 (Post 11488354)
I have been in upper management for years and the term peons is extremely offensive.

I understand where you're coming from. In the business world, cell phones have become necessary. Business does what it needs to to maximize profit. That's how it works. This is why I do not work in that field. I'm a teacher. I do not buy into the current vogue of treating a school like a business. I work in a 100% free lunch 90% minority high school in a generally failing school system in a corrupt and decaying medium sized post industrial city. I put up with truckloads of crap every minute of every day. I'm very often treated as a peon. With a master's and a sixth year degree. I'm not too keen on all the "there is no I in team" stuff. I am keen on people working hard together and respecting each other. Paying AT&T hundreds of dollars a year is not a prerequisite of showing my team support and respect.

If you'd like to make any assumptions about my selfishness or perhaps about my teaching ability, I can't stop you. You've got little idea what it's like to do what I do every day, which runs from cleaning the mouse poop and mold out of my leaky ceilinged asbestos tiled 58-degrees-in-the-winter classroom to taking knives off of kids to being told to rescind or re think any punishment given out to any kid who complains to administration about that particular consequence, for instance marking them late. Hey, I taught in NYC for 5 years and had no idea school systems could be this bad off. The kids are placed ahead of my "team" as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, if I'm so important and a cell phone is so important, then they can provide me with one.

But I still don't think I need one on a bike ride. ;)

Standalone 09-19-10 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Ziemas (Post 11488392)
You really care about what others find to be essential and find it to be pressurizing to you when you don't agree with them? Where's the logic in that?

BTW, where did I ever say anything about telling you you can't talk about mobile phones? Feel paranoid much?

You deny there is social pressure to carry a cell? You're conflating what's going on in society with what's going on in this thread. They are two different things, and I have been referring to both at different times. And aside from your name calling... it's been a nice thread. :)
- hyper sensitive paranoid boy


Originally Posted by chaadster (Post 11488405)
The iPhone has done more to improve the quality of life for more people than anything since the invention of the safety bicycle.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

OMG! what HAVE i been missing???!!!??? ;)


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