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Old 11-07-10, 09:05 AM
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Riding with a sidecar

Recently picked up a Yak trailer. Been looking over different ways to attach and use it with my bikes and came across this link. Thought I 'd share it. Curious to know if anyone here actually rides with a sidecar...


http://www.instructables.com/id/Buil...cycle-Sidecar/
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Very interesting... Seen a few of these on motorcycles but never on a bike. I would think this would be too dangerous unless you have some really wide roads. Even most bike lanes would be too small (IMO).

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I would only ride this way if I could pop loose the side car at a moments notice, and my passenger was wearing green tights, a red jerkin, a yellow cape, a black domino mask, and yelled things like, "Holy clip-less pedals U-Lock Man! That motorist just hit a bike messenger!"

Then I'd pop off the side car and we would use our U-Lock grapplers to catch up to the motorist and deliver the criminal to commissioner gordon.
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The attachment can be easily done through the skewer in the back hub I think, which would take a moment's notice to undo. Of course, the amount of weight you could carry would be very limited given that most of your own weight is already on that rear hub. But to carry a pet or a small kid or groceries, it looks interesting. For big loads, I'd only think of using my Burley 2-wheel or my new Yak 1 wheel in-line trailers. This is more in the "check it out, Batman" category
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I passed a guy who was riding with his kid in a sidecar - it looked like a commercially made product to me. Very cool.
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Originally Posted by pacificaslim View Post
I passed a guy who was riding with his kid in a sidecar - it looked like a commercially made product to me. Very cool.
Chariot brand makes them but the are too damned expensive for my blood.
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Originally Posted by gunner65 View Post
Chariot brand makes them but the are too damned expensive for my blood.
That's interesting. I started a thread in the Touring forum about people using a more stable tri-wheel setup (as we all age). The old timers reminded everyone of the handling issues with any sidecar. That's why you don't see them often in motorbikes anymore - steering is more like a car, with the front wheel, and less by leaning like with 2-wheel and 1-wheel contraptions. Yet, they have a certain old-time, retro allure.
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Originally Posted by safariofthemind View Post
That's interesting. I started a thread in the Touring forum about people using a more stable tri-wheel setup (as we all age). The old timers reminded everyone of the handling issues with any sidecar. That's why you don't see them often in motorbikes anymore - steering is more like a car, with the front wheel, and less by leaning like with 2-wheel and 1-wheel contraptions. Yet, they have a certain old-time, retro allure.
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Unless it has some kind of spring attachment (which I doubt would be safe) how can you lean into the turns? You don't lean into turns with four wheels in a car but it's pretty important to be able to do that with a bike.
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I ride the Chariot Sidecarrier quite a bit, and I love it!

As you can see in the picture below, it's attached to a cylindrical post mounted on the bottom bracket, and the frame tube slips over that, allowing the bicycle to lean normally through turns. The bike can lay flat on the ground to the side opposite the sidecar, while right hand leans are somewhat restricted by the upper frame of the sidecar.

Handling is really rather the same as a normal bike, although as my daughter arrived at 40lbs, I began to notice a little oscillating when I didn't keep my pedal stroke quick and even. It may also be due to a little wiggle in the BB mount, which is secured with a wound metal cable; it could probably stand a little retightening.

Anyway, I've been using this for about 3 years, and it has been a joy. I use it for grocery-getting sometimes, and because it will fold up flat against the bike, I tend to use it more than one of the trailers because it's a lot easier to park downtown on crowded streets and crowded racks.



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Originally Posted by cooleric1234 View Post
+1

Unless it has some kind of spring attachment (which I doubt would be safe) how can you lean into the turns? You don't lean into turns with four wheels in a car but it's pretty important to be able to do that with a bike.
The sidecar in the OP's pic pivots on a rod parallel to the chainstays, so leaning is unrestricted to the right, constrained a bit by the sidecar to left, but it leans alright.
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
I can't see this being any wider than one of those trailers that can sit two toddlers side by side. Nice setup, BTW! If my son wasn't graduating to a trail-a-bike
next year I would give the Chariot Sidecar serious consideration.
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The old timers reminded everyone of the handling issues with any sidecar. That's why you don't see them often in motorbikes anymore - steering is more like a car, with the front wheel, and less by leaning like with 2-wheel and 1-wheel contraptions.
how can you lean into the turns? You don't lean into turns with four wheels in a car but it's pretty important to be able to do that with a bike.
Actually, you don't lean into turns with a trike (delta or tadpole, recumbent or upright, human powered or motorcycle) either. You see a lot of motorcycle trikes these days due to an aging riding population and the ever increasing weight and size of motorcycles.

Granted, the handling of a sidecar is special because of the asymmetry of the vehicle. There are pro's and con's to the designs of both trikes and sidecars.

In motorcycles, check out Ural for sidecars. Harley-Davidson recently ended nearly a century of sidecar production because their trikes have proven to be so much more popular with modern American riders (they've also built trikes since the 1920s).

Smike in Switzerland makes an interesting purpose-built sidecar bike system. For taking your 82-year old grandmother around it looks like just the ticket.

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Originally Posted by cooleric1234 View Post
Unless it has some kind of spring attachment (which I doubt would be safe) how can you lean into the turns?
Google "flxible sidecar". Worked well, wasn't terribly popular.
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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
I ride the Chariot Sidecarrier quite a bit, and I love it!
Pretty neat! How much does the whole rig weigh empty? Any trouble going uphill?
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Originally Posted by safariofthemind View Post
Pretty neat! How much does the whole rig weigh empty? Any trouble going uphill?
Per Chariot, it's 17.8lbs., and no, no trouble hill climbing. Truly, the performance and handling of the sidecar are excellent, and taken together with the surprised smiles of onlookers, it's been a pure joy to use.
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I was looking for an old thread on sidecars, and found this one- pretty cool.

I have a Worksman front-loading trike, the kind with two wheels in the front, one in back. It is wide enough that you are basically forced to take the lane with it whether you intend to or not. And the vehicle can't lean into a turn, but the rider can. Still, it is not something you want to turn fast with. So a regular rigid sidecar would suffer similar effects, but shouldn't be any worse, either.

One of the ladies that used to post here had a sidecar pedicab (which is not uncommon in some parts of the world), which is actually the thread I was looking for. Because I just ran across these videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW5Sk7gl6ho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMXFIVcyMC8
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Here you go:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-Bicycle-...item1c1745a9c4
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I like that my passenger would be on the left side, providing a nice buffer between me and passing cars!
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vid of sidecar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7jvm...eature=related

The poster of this clip displays all the safety features of the sidecar, then rides at dusk (street lights ON) with no lights....as a SALMON!
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Chariot Sidecar for 22lb Dog? Please tell me what you think ? Really!!

Would love your creative thoughts about adaptations for the dog. Austin Texas
Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
I ride the Chariot Sidecarrier quite a bit, and I love it!

As you can see in the picture below, it's attached to a cylindrical post mounted on the bottom bracket, and the frame tube slips over that, allowing the bicycle to lean normally through turns. The bike can lay flat on the ground to the side opposite the sidecar, while right hand leans are somewhat restricted by the upper frame of the sidecar.

Handling is really rather the same as a normal bike, although as my daughter arrived at 40lbs, I began to notice a little oscillating when I didn't keep my pedal stroke quick and even. It may also be due to a little wiggle in the BB mount, which is secured with a wound metal cable; it could probably stand a little retightening.

Anyway, I've been using this for about 3 years, and it has been a joy. I use it for grocery-getting sometimes, and because it will fold up flat against the bike, I tend to use it more than one of the trailers because it's a lot easier to park downtown on crowded streets and crowded racks.



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Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
I ride the Chariot Sidecarrier quite a bit, and I love it!

As you can see in the picture below, it's attached to a cylindrical post mounted on the bottom bracket, and the frame tube slips over that, allowing the bicycle to lean normally through turns. The bike can lay flat on the ground to the side opposite the sidecar, while right hand leans are somewhat restricted by the upper frame of the sidecar.

Handling is really rather the same as a normal bike, although as my daughter arrived at 40lbs, I began to notice a little oscillating when I didn't keep my pedal stroke quick and even. It may also be due to a little wiggle in the BB mount, which is secured with a wound metal cable; it could probably stand a little retightening.

Anyway, I've been using this for about 3 years, and it has been a joy. I use it for grocery-getting sometimes, and because it will fold up flat against the bike, I tend to use it more than one of the trailers because it's a lot easier to park downtown on crowded streets and crowded racks.



that's awesome. if you don't mind my asking, how much do those run, roughly?
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I've been really interested in the idea of a sidecar. Until now, I had never seen one.

I would prefer for the sidecar to be on the right of me so I would be closer to traffic. Since I'd be taller on the bike! I'd be easier to see.

I don't think it would be dangerous just because it forces you to take the lane. In fact, I've discovered that the bigger you are, the more respect people show you. When I ride on roads with my baby trailer behind me,my bike takes up over two times as much space, probably. Everyone gives me even more room when passing me.
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Chariot Sidecar for 22 pound DOG

Specifically my question is about how the floor is constructed bcause it appears there is a "step seat" constructed as the floor--so I'm wondering how I can flatten the floor so the dog can stand.
Your photos were great, and the only ones out there with the foldup. The hitch mount is really slick--it's nicely engineered for >$500, used ~$300.
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with the net over it how are they going to help lean into the corner,
over the sidecar wheel? ?
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That first pic the op posted is cool, but I wouldn't attempt this without a 3 chainrings up front, maybe 2, def not 1.
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