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HardyWeinberg 11-13-10 11:52 PM

everything you ever wanted to know about black ice
 
This is a very cool page:


Icing on roadways is probably the most serious meteorological hazard faced by Washington State citizens and causes hundreds of serious injuries and several deaths a year. Sometimes called "black ice" when not clearly evident at night, roadway ice is not black at all, but is made up of frozen water that sparkles or is white when illuminated. This tutorial will describe a variety of weather conditions that can result in roadway icing and how one can determine when roadway icing is a threat. Some important meteorological principles that control surface icing will be reviewed as well.
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~cliff/Roadway3.html

B. Carfree 11-14-10 12:40 AM

Thanks for the link. I rarely drive (once a year or less), but I have to drive over Santiam Pass this Wednesday to take a disabled friend to a medical appointment. Ugh, just in time for the snow/ice season in that area. Lucky for me, we only get ice in the southern Willamette valley once every few years. Since I am a real weather wimp, I just walk when the frozen stuff hangs around.

JeffSG 11-14-10 07:25 AM

I looked at the article below the other day when preparing for possible riding in black ice and found it useful. Thanks for sharing this.

http://www.icebike.org/Articles/TechniquesBlackIce.htm

Ride safe,

Jeff

HardyWeinberg 11-14-10 04:16 PM

He's also got a blog entry w/ cool graphics describing low altitude (<2m) temp inversions that give icing on non-freezing (ostensibly) days:

http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2010/1...your-life.html

fietsbob 11-14-10 04:55 PM

Columbia Gorge makes a good funnel when its cold behind the Cascades,
and the off shore winds come out of the east, It ices up out west, at the Bar.

Torrilin 11-14-10 05:33 PM

Black ice doesn't actually sparkle when illuminated. That's the problem. It doesn't look wet, even in glaringly bright sunlight. At worst, the road surface looks clean. That's your tip-off, since the ground has to be very cold in order to get water to freeze so invisibly... so odds are there was a road salt layer everywhere. If it looks like the roads are pristine all of a sudden, get really suspicious. The change can happen very fast, even at a walking pace.

Glare ice is the same sort of icy glaze, but it is shiny and sparkly. This is much easier to see, and since you can see it you can take action. Glare ice can form in a wide variety of ways, and often melts easily. Melting is bad, since then the ice gets much more slippery. There is no way you'd miss glare ice when walking, even in cloudy weather.

People in climates where icing is rare won't often make a distinction between the two, since the end result tends to be the same.

BarracksSi 11-14-10 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by Torrilin (Post 11786677)
Black ice doesn't actually sparkle when illuminated. That's the problem. It doesn't look wet, even in glaringly bright sunlight. At worst, the road surface looks clean. That's your tip-off, since the ground has to be very cold in order to get water to freeze so invisibly... so odds are there was a road salt layer everywhere. If it looks like the roads are pristine all of a sudden, get really suspicious. The change can happen very fast, even at a walking pace.

Yup, I've learned that. I'd rather drive on snow than on suspiciously clear pavement.

Of course, it helps to invest in winter tires, too; "all-season" tires are only half-optimal in all seasons. I didn't get studded tires, though..
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...i/IMG_3741.jpg

drbenjamin 11-14-10 10:52 PM

I wish he had made that post one week earlier! On Wednesday AM, same day that likely inspired him to write that blog, I turned off the bike trail I was on to cross a wooden bridge and fell down faster than I thought possible, right on my knee. I slipped again standing up; the whole bridge surface was slick ice despite the 38 degree air temp. Thankfully I didn't break anything but will have to take a couple weeks off while the bruises go away :(

woodway 11-15-10 10:11 AM

I hate black ice.

fietsbob 11-15-10 12:56 PM

I get out the bike with the studded tires, from Finland ..

PaulRivers 11-16-10 03:47 PM

With studded tires on my bike, black ice has become a non-issue. :-)

Now it's slushy snow that I'm the most leery of...I steer *towards* black ice on my bike with studded tires. :-)

tpelle 11-18-10 03:21 PM

Where I live, out in the country, a lot of people regularly ride horses on the road. I've gotta watch out for brown ice!

fidesspescarita 11-18-10 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by tpelle (Post 11808382)
Where I live, out in the country, a lot of people regularly ride horses on the road. I've gotta watch out for brown ice!


Is that anything like "Dont eat the yellow snow"?

BarracksSi 11-18-10 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by fidesspescarita (Post 11808470)
Is that anything like "Dont eat the yellow snow"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmVvgo1wxh4

daredevil 11-18-10 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 11790431)
I get out the bike with the studded tires, from Finland ..

lol...me too!

shouldberiding 11-19-10 10:14 PM

Everything you ever needed to know about black ice:

Slippery. Bike go boom.

Get studded tires.

xtrajack 11-20-10 02:19 AM


Originally Posted by PaulRivers (Post 11797102)
With studded tires on my bike, black ice has become a non-issue. :-)

Now it's slushy snow that I'm the most leery of
...I steer *towards* black ice on my bike with studded tires. :-)

Studded tires don't help much with that. Last winter, I went down 4 times on the same commute on that stuff, after the last time, I walked the rest of the way home, pushing my bike.


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