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Old 10-25-04, 11:14 AM
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Staying fresh before work (product)

hello there, I was taken to this forum through a google search for "cyclist showers" and i read a very intresting post by someone who asked for advice on staying fresh as possible on the ride to work, basically, this is the problem i would like to solve for my final year product design degree. im in the early stages of gathering relevant information and consumers needs etc, and was wondering what reaction you would give to a personal climate control for cyclists product, sorry its not very spacific but im still in the early stages. i have so many issues to take into account and information from yourselves will prove invaluable no matter how small a comment you make.
The first big question i have is, would you be intrested in a product that gave your body good ventilation during and after your bike ride?? and what concerns do you have? or is there any problems you have come across with perspiration and keeping cool? if so i would be more then happy to listen and try and solve, thank you ever so much, i look forward to discussing this with anyone who can help. Jake.
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Old 10-25-04, 11:33 AM
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Being able to mediate my temp while riding sounds cool, but I don't know that I would use it.
My commute is 10 miles and I push myself the entire way to see how fast I can make it. After an intense workout for 45+ minutes, I expect to get sweaty. I arrive just as sweaty when it's cold and windy as when it's hot, I'm just wearing more clothes. I shower at work because I'm lucky and have a great shower facility.
I don't know how effective it would be to target the 'getting sweaty' part of the commute. I'm more concerned with the 'getting unsweaty' part and getting myself presentable at work - products in that realm that are more advanced than baby wipes would be more helpful. Some help in getting the cycling clothes dry (from sweat and rain) and un-stinky by the end of the work day would be appreciated too; it's no fun to put on still-sweaty clothes for the ride home!
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The best thing to deal with sweat is sweat wicking synthetic fabric or wool.

However, the scope of your project is too huge if you are trying to address the sweat problem with some new kind of fabric or space-suit. I'm sure that the sports apparel folks are working hard on that.

I think there are a number of products that would help cyclists commute more easily. Most of these are not new things but are modifications of existing items. Here's my 2 cent brain dump:

* Panniers that can properly hold a business suit or other work clothes.
* Panniers or other contraption that can safely hold a laptop computer
* Soaps and grooming items-- sort of like camping stuff, but packaged and directed towards cyclist needs.

I think if someone were able to ride to work, lock the bike, and quickly lift off a bag of stuff needed for work, that would help a lot of people.
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superb! thanks for replying so soon, being a newbie i posted a more detailed plee for help through the "shower at work" post i replyied to, here is a cut and paste of it, the questionaire is what i have to rely on with the general pubic i will try and get input, but i have a feeling this forum is so much better for all of us,

Just the problem i am going to solve!!
I am keen to design a product for this exact problem, I am a final year student of product design here in leicester UK. i know i suffer from sweating on the way to my job, it has no shower and a rediculas hill just before you get there, and only being a short distance i usually go full speed, turning up to work sweating like mad soon after i get off the bike, i take a change of clothes and some deodourant, but id would like to design a product that will keep cyclists perspiration at bay during and possibly after the ride so that there is no or little need for preperation, i have some exiting ideas, but need some outside input from fellow cyclists.
Anyone intrested in helping me could simply answer some questions i have, or email me @ junglejake_uk@yahoo.co.uk with your thoughts, i hope this would only be a small amount of your time,

1. What type of bicycle do you own?
( ) Conventional bicycle ( ) mountain bike ( ) BMX ( ) racing bike ( ) other.

2. What do you use your bicycle for?
( ) Casual ( ) commuting to work ( ) sporting ( ) other.

3.how often do you cycle per week?
( ) Once ( ) under 5 times ( ) under 10 times ( ) 10 and over.

4. How far is your average single journey?
( ) Under 2 miles ( ) under 5 miles ( ) under 10 miles ( ) over 10.

5. Do you tend to wear particular clothes for your bicycle journeys?
( ) Yes ( ) no
If yes please specify..

6.do u tend to sweat during your bicycle journey?
( ) Like a hamster ( ) like a rabbit ( ) like a cat ( ) like a donkey

7. Do u tend to sweat after your bicycle journey?
( ) Like a hamster ( ) like a rabbit ( ) like a cat ( ) like a donkey

8. How much spare carrying capacity do you have on your bicycle?
( ) CD player size ( ) pint of milk size ( ) pair of shoes ( ) video player.

9. Would a personal cooling/heating product be of value to you?
( ) Yes ( ) no

10. What is the maximum you would spend on a personal cooling/heating product?
( ) 10 ( ) 20 ( ) 40 ( ) 80 ( ) 100 ( ) 150 ( ) 200 ( ) over 200

11. Would you prefer cycling equipment to be seen on you or hidden?
( ) On show ( ) hidden ( ) bit of both

12.what after market bicycle products do you own?
..
..
..

13. How much do you spend a month on after market cycle products?
( ) Under 10 ( ) 50 ( ) 100 ( ) 200 ( ) arm and a leg.

Thank you. if there is anything you think i have missed or would like to add anything my ears are all open.
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Originally Posted by Jake Reidford
6.do u tend to sweat during your bicycle journey?
( ) Like a hamster ( ) like a rabbit ( ) like a cat ( ) like a donkey
I am unfamiliar with the sweating characteristics of a rabbit. Perhaps we could frame it in terms of African Swallows?
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haha, yes african swallow terms are fine, being a smallish animal, ill take it that you would'nt sweat too much?
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haha, yes african swallow terms are fine, being a smallish animal, ill take it that you would'nt sweat too much?
When I'm riding home after school, I take it slow and I sweat like a dog.







Dogs don't sweat.

Anyway... i think you should design little water pouches that go under your armpits and have tiny pores that leak water on you. That way the water will cool you down.

Or maybe not. Maybe you should design a recumbent bicycle (it would be a better candidate because the seat structure of the bike already comes close to the upper body) that has metal tubes which contain water. The water can flow through the tubes to keep them cool and the tubes can be positioned under the arms and in other sweaty places, to cool you off, similar to the way a liquid-cooled petrol engine is cooled.

Actually, they're probably silly ideas. But they would at least have amusement value.
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um... being... on a bike... where even if there isn't wind, I'm moving at 15mph+... with no doors or windows... lack of ventillation really isn't one of my concerns

the only way I can see to prevent the problem, rather than cure it... is better clothing, and better deodorant... neither of which are untapped markets

you might be able to make something to keep cyclists cooler... but seriously... it can't work much better than a wet rag wrapped around the back of your neck... and I know that with how hard I ride on my way to school, I get sweaty even when it's below freezing

heating, on the other hand... I don't know what you have in mind, or how it could possibly work... but if it works (and is either cheap or a one time fee), I'm interested
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Originally Posted by Jake Reidford
1. What type of bicycle do you own?
( ) Conventional bicycle ( ) mountain bike ( ) BMX ( ) racing bike ( X ) other.
Other - it's a hybrid aka "comfort" bike

2. What do you use your bicycle for?
( ) Casual ( ) commuting to work ( ) sporting ( X ) other.
Other - I don't have a car. I use my bike like most people use a car - for everything.

3.how often do you cycle per week?
( ) Once ( ) under 5 times ( ) under 10 times ( X ) 10 and over.

4. How far is your average single journey?
( ) Under 2 miles ( ) under 5 miles ( ) under 10 miles ( X ) over 10.

5. Do you tend to wear particular clothes for your bicycle journeys?
( ) Yes ( X ) no
--- But I should!

If yes please specify..

6.do u tend to sweat during your bicycle journey?
( ) Like a hamster ( ) like a rabbit ( ) like a cat ( ) like a donkey ( X ) Other
None of these animals sweat. I sweat a little - depends on the weather.

7. Do u tend to sweat after your bicycle journey?
( ) Like a hamster ( ) like a rabbit ( ) like a cat ( ) like a donkey
None of these animals sweat. I sweat a little - depends on the weather.

8. How much spare carrying capacity do you have on your bicycle?
( ) CD player size ( ) pint of milk size ( ) pair of shoes ( ) video player.
Bag of groceries, plus what I can put in my backpack.

9. Would a personal cooling/heating product be of value to you?
( ) Yes ( ) no
Depends on two things: price and weight. Keep 'em both down, and I may.

10. What is the maximum you would spend on a personal cooling/heating product?
( ) 10 ( ) 20 ( ) 40 ( X ) 80 ( ) 100 ( ) 150 ( ) 200 ( ) over 200

11. Would you prefer cycling equipment to be seen on you or hidden?
( ) On show ( ) hidden ( ) bit of both ( X ) Don't Care
So long as it works, I don't care

12.what after market bicycle products do you own?
Can't even begin to say...

13. How much do you spend a month on after market cycle products?
( ) Under 10 ( X ) 50 ( ) 100 ( ) 200 ( ) arm and a leg.

Thank you. if there is anything you think i have missed or would like to add anything my ears are all open.
Answers above in the quote.
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thank you for completing my questionaire becca, please excuse the animal related questions, just trying to add a little humor into it, ill have to make a modified version and see if it goes any better, cheers for your time, you have been a great help, take care.
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[QUOTE=H23]The best thing to deal with sweat is sweat wicking synthetic fabric or wool.

However, the scope of your project is too huge if you are trying to address the sweat problem with some new kind of fabric or space-suit. I'm sure that the sports apparel folks are working hard on that.

i do like the sound of the 'space suit' but i would like to try and solve the problem by keeping components, price and size to a minimum, certainly not to make a bigger problem by having to climb into a suit to ride your bike, small ram air inlets and outlets to channel the air where it is needed is more like what iu have in mind.
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um... being... on a bike... where even if there isn't wind, I'm moving at 15mph+... with no doors or windows... lack of ventillation really isn't one of my concerns

the only way I can see to prevent the problem, rather than cure it... is better clothing, and better deodorant... neither of which are untapped markets

you might be able to make something to keep cyclists cooler... but seriously... it can't work much better than a wet rag wrapped around the back of your neck... and I know that with how hard I ride on my way to school, I get sweaty even when it's below freezing

heating, on the other hand... I don't know what you have in mind, or how it could possibly work... but if it works (and is either cheap or a one time fee), I'm interested
I see, the main worry i have about a wet rag around the neck is the growth of bacteria on the rag which could lead to blocked skin pours making 'spots' especially if you use the same rag, wot if there was an air duct which barely touched the surface of the body and in normal riding position, blew a refreshing breeze around the neck area and posibly down the back, around arm pits and chest?
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If you consider sweaty riding to be a problem (and not all riders do), then you can usually moderate your heat buildup with sensible clothing, gearing and by cooling down on the bike.
My commute used to be a short 3 mile ride, but a U shape. The final 1/2 mile was a steep hill. I used to peel off a layer of clothing at the bottom and use a very low gear so limit the amount of heat generated. Although this increased my journey time, it decreased my cooldown time at work.
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