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sci_femme 03-20-11 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by BarracksSi (Post 12384789)
I think my butt is the smallest part of my body.. :D

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Doohickie 03-20-11 08:08 AM

:lol:

Standalone 03-20-11 08:20 AM

People in those neighborhoods are used to adults on bikes. More so than suburban neighborhoods.

Bud Bent 03-21-11 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Doohickie (Post 12384244)
(Bud... there are some good routes just east of the train tracks that run between McCart and Crowley to get from the area where you work to Westcreek Park. You may already know it, but it's a pretty good ride- very light traffic).

I tried that route and it didn't work out at all. The I-20 crossover is the wrong way for going to work and coming home, Townsend Dr has a school zone that's one way, the wrong way, right at the point where nothing else goes through except McCart and James. Also, the railroad crossing on Gambrell has a step in the pavement that's taller than some curbs. Those streets are rough, too.

chipcom 03-21-11 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by DX-MAN (Post 12380307)
HAHAHAHAHA!!

You just DESCRIBED my neighborhood! I live in one!

I have to say, though, that Chipcom's bullet comments (no pun) are pretty accurate. I do, however, violate a couple rules he put out.

I ride a pricey bike, a $2K Dakar XLT, and it's pretty beastly in appearance. (As in 'capable' not 'ugly')

My advantage? The thugs are convinced I'm an undercover/plainclothes cop, or affiliated somehow, and could get them busted. Their logic? No 'cracker' would ride a bike like mine through 'their' hood unless he was a cop.

There WAS one, a few years ago, who was just too stupid to even process THAT; he sat on his screened-in porch across a busy 4-lane from me, hollered, "HEY, WHITE BOY!" and dry-fired his revolver in my direction, 6 times.

I'm mostly mistaken for some crazy (and fairly large) homeless dude (even when I was a cop)...which has served me well both in the hood and in McMansionville. ;)

I'm on a 2k bike myself...but when you put on fenders and a rack it doesn't look like a 2K bike to your average schmuck.

chipcom 03-21-11 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Artkansas (Post 12383360)
I've had a number of commutes through less than desireable neighborhoods. On my last one, at the corner that I thought was the worst, one night I had a flat. As I sat in the light of the McDonalds parking lot patching the tube, someone came up and tried to offer me a $20 bill.

I've had trouble in good neighborhoods as well as some in worse neighborhoods, but as Chipcom said, pretty much a bicycle is too small to rate goofing with. So be aware and keep your distance from people and you should do okay. If you sense trouble, double your cadence.

I gotta say that I've been in more potentially threatening situations that involved snooty white folk than with poor folk who live/hang in the hood over the years.

dwilbur3 03-21-11 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by chipcom (Post 12389235)
I gotta say that I've been in more potentially threatening situations that involved snooty white folk than with poor folk who live/hang in the hood over the years.

+1 It's the suburbanites in the huge pickup trucks I worry about.

chipcom 03-21-11 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by dwilbur3 (Post 12389274)
+1 It's the suburbanites in the huge pickup trucks I worry about.

and the soccer moms yaking on their phones in mini-vans and SUVs

himespau 03-21-11 09:29 AM

For me it's the buses that wander over into the bike lane when they feel like it with no warning. Fortunately, they're big and loud and I know when they're around.

RichardGlover 03-21-11 11:14 AM

When riding through bad neighborhoods, I don't do anything differently other than make an effort to pay attention to my surroundings.

95% of conflicts can be avoided by good situational awareness, listening to 'bad feelings' your gut may be telling you, and avoiding the situation entirely (e.g. avoiding large groups, as mentioned by somebody else).

Most of the remainder can mostly be handled by keeping your cool, making it clear you're not a threat, and an absolute dedication to swallowing your pride.

For the few situations that can't be handled any other way, I carry a (legally) concealed handgun & pepper spray (which is not to say that I think I 'only' need them in 'bad' neighborhoods - bad things can happen anywhere).

chipcom 03-21-11 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by RichardGlover (Post 12389945)
When riding through bad neighborhoods, I don't do anything differently other than make an effort to pay attention to my surroundings.

95% of conflicts can be avoided by good situational awareness, listening to 'bad feelings' your gut may be telling you, and avoiding the situation entirely (e.g. avoiding large groups, as mentioned by somebody else).

Most of the remainder can mostly be handled by keeping your cool, making it clear you're not a threat, and an absolute dedication to swallowing your pride.

For the few situations that can't be handled any other way, I carry a (legally) concealed handgun & pepper spray (which is not to say that I think I 'only' need them in 'bad' neighborhoods - bad things can happen anywhere).

You might want to avoid carrying on a bike in northern Ohio for a spell.
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/sand...oting-sandusky

himespau 03-21-11 12:28 PM

wow, that doesn't sound like a good situation. I wonder why he was pulling the guy over when dispatch didn't appear to have anything on him (not saying he was in the wrong, could have been riding as if drunk or something). Just not a lot of info there.

chipcom 03-21-11 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by himespau (Post 12390413)
wow, that doesn't sound like a good situation. I wonder why he was pulling the guy over when dispatch didn't appear to have anything on him (not saying he was in the wrong, could have been riding as if drunk or something). Just not a lot of info there.

I have many of the same questions, but it's not the best time to be asking them. Apparently, the guy on the bike was a "known troublemaker with a long rap sheet", was out barhopping and it was like 3am when the cop pulled him over. None of those answers the key question tho.

The area MS150 overnights in Sandusky and there have often been run-ins between the cops and cyclists riding in the dark to the start point of the return trip...this year could be interesting.

sci_femme 03-21-11 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by chipcom (Post 12389235)
I gotta say that I've been in more potentially threatening situations that involved snooty white folk than with poor folk who live/hang in the hood over the years.

Amen!

sci_femme 03-21-11 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by chipcom (Post 12389291)
and the soccer moms yaking on their phones in mini-vans and SUVs

Amen again!

RichardGlover 03-21-11 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by chipcom (Post 12390235)
You might want to avoid carrying on a bike in northern Ohio for a spell.
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/sand...oting-sandusky

Not that I'm headed to OH anytime soon, but I find that police don't give me any grief at all for (legally) concealed carrying. Of course, I'm also smart enough to inform them of it, let them know where it is, and keep my hands well away from it when interacting with them.

A real tragedy. I'd be interested in finding out what the initial stop was for, and how it plays out in court.

mustachiod 03-21-11 02:28 PM

be alert
no eye contact
try to avoid the instinct to educate drivers and pedestrians about bicycle rights
keep moving
no fancy riding clothes/gear (anything that looks expensive)

any comments, things thrown at you, ... just shake it off and keep going. they are looking for a reaction, don't give them one

chicago has cameras mounted to telephone poles in some neighborhoods. i know where they are if i need to get to one

fmileto55 03-21-11 02:52 PM

Be visible, make eye contact, be friendly and courteous. Exude confidence! Don't linger though...

colleen c 03-21-11 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by BarracksSi (Post 12384789)
I think my butt is the smallest part of my body.. :D

My cousin is like that. He blames his doctor for prescribing him Noasatol pill :)


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