Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Commuting
Reload this Page >

Woman ticketed for carrying a tote on her bike

Commuting Bicycle commuting is easier than you think, before you know it, you'll be hooked. Learn the tips, hints, equipment, safety requirements for safely riding your bike to work.

Woman ticketed for carrying a tote on her bike

Old 04-15-11, 11:33 AM
  #26  
exile
Senior Member
 
exile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Binghamton, NY
Posts: 2,880

Bikes: 2016 Jamis Coda Comp, 2008 Surly Long Haul Trucker, 1999 Jamis Exile

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
<If she had a mini-pump she could have been cited with carrying a concealed weapon. If you are using rear blinkies than you may be cited with impersonating a police officer. If you have a multi-tool you are considered to be carrying burglary tools. Think people, this cop did us a favor by getting this riff-raff off the street .>

Throw the book at her judge. No literally, since we seem to be enforcing non-existent laws. It would seem kind of poetic to throw a law book at her as well.
exile is offline  
Old 04-15-11, 03:57 PM
  #27  
Mr IGH
afraid of whales
 
Mr IGH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Front Range, CO
Posts: 4,322
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 346 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by itsthewoo View Post
No, I did not see that clip...I still strongly disagree with CM.
LOL, don't forget, the rookie cop, still under probation hire period, lied about the incident and was caught because of the video....
Mr IGH is offline  
Old 04-15-11, 04:58 PM
  #28  
Chris Pringle
Senior Member
 
Chris Pringle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: The Pearl of the Pacific, Mexico
Posts: 1,267

Bikes: '12 Rodriguez UTB Custom, '83 Miyata 610, '83 Nishiki Century Mixte (Work of Art), '06 Specialized Epic Marathon MTB

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by jks84 View Post
This photo was obviously after the incident, not when it happened. So she probably just threw a helmet on and posed on the sidewalk. It doesn't mean this is the way she was the day it happened.
Concur that the pic was taken after the incident and it was simply a pose for the journalist on the sidewalk.

The simple fact that she's wearing a helmet might be a good thing but that's quite arguable. Many urban bicycle advocates and experts have begun to express that riding a bicycle with a helmet does very little in terms of safety. In fact, it may even make you more prone to getting hit. It also does nothing to promote bicycle ridership implying that riding a bike is a dangerous affair so one better wears a bunch of protection gear to do so. Can you imagine if we had to wear all this protection gear to drive or ride our cars?

As cyclists, we should be applauding this woman for running simple errands in her bike, not condemning her because she's not doing everything right. In fact, I think she looks GREAT!

In regard to urban helmet safety, there is the video below. Many bicycle bloggers have also started to write about the Mary Poppins effect... the better they look on their bikes the more drivers are courteous with them on the road. Again, ride as you feel safe or according to your local laws. Wouldn't want you to get ticketed!


Chris Pringle is offline  
Old 04-15-11, 05:29 PM
  #29  
zoltani
sniffin' glue
 
zoltani's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,182

Bikes: Surly crosscheck ssfg, Custom vintage french racing bike, Bruce Gordon Rock & Road

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
nice way to turn this into a helmet debate

just slipped it right in there didn't you?
zoltani is offline  
Old 04-15-11, 05:48 PM
  #30  
mike
Senior Member
 
mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Snowy midwest
Posts: 5,392
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Welcome to the police state of the USA. We are obligated to stand and clap and cheer for police at public gatherings and parades like they are all heroes.

May we say out loud that maybe, just maybe.... we have too many police? Is it possible that we don't need so many police? Could it possibly be that maybe there really aren't terrorists waiting in every shadow waiting to attacke America's freedoms and liberties?
mike is offline  
Old 04-15-11, 07:12 PM
  #31  
DaCiscoKid
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 27
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Unreal. The article mentioned a "crackdown" on cyclists, though. I'm guessing that there is a reason for that crackdown that isn't covered in the article - not that I can think of anything to justify that!
DaCiscoKid is offline  
Old 04-15-11, 10:21 PM
  #32  
B. Carfree
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Posts: 7,051
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 494 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Don't the police have to cite the section of the vehicle code that someone has violated when they write a ticket? I'm really asking this; it's not rhetorical. If so, how can a cop issue a ticket for something that is not an offense? That just seems like harassment. (I know, nothing new there.)
B. Carfree is offline  
Old 04-15-11, 10:37 PM
  #33  
dougmc
Senior Member
 
dougmc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 3,030

Bikes: Giant OCR2, Bridgestone RB-T, Bike-E, Vision R-40, Novara Safari

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
Don't the police have to cite the section of the vehicle code that someone has violated when they write a ticket?
Yes. The person has to be cited for something.

However, the cop could put down something that's not illegal ... "riding with purse" for example, if it's just a field that they write some words in, or if their system involves picking from a list, they could pick something that doesn't apply, like "riding without hands on handlebars" or even "unsafe riding" (if there's a specific law against that.)

In general the court (or DA) could change the charges if the person decides to contest them and the cop didn't pick the right charges, though in this case I'd expect it to just be dismissed.
dougmc is offline  
Old 04-16-11, 04:56 AM
  #34  
The Human Car
-=Barry=-
 
The Human Car's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Baltimore, MD +/- ~100 miles
Posts: 4,077
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by prathmann View Post
If the police officer is really writing tickets that he knows will be thrown out as unjustified then he should be fired.
__________________
Cycling Advocate
http://BaltimoreSpokes.org
. . . o
. . /L
=()>()
The Human Car is offline  
Old 04-16-11, 03:15 PM
  #35  
DaCiscoKid
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 27
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
From the article:

"Lecomte du Nouy, who had been riding down Columbus Avenue at West 100th Street on Monday at 3 p.m. en route to pick up her 4-year-old daughter at nursery school, said she nearly lost her balance when the cop asked for her driver's license.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...#ixzz1JigJcNwi"

I honestly never carry my driver's license when I'm on my bike and I don't see that changing anytime soon (I've been considering a road-id, though). Does anyone carry their DL while they are riding? I'm just interested in thoughts on this.
DaCiscoKid is offline  
Old 04-17-11, 05:59 AM
  #36  
The Human Car
-=Barry=-
 
The Human Car's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Baltimore, MD +/- ~100 miles
Posts: 4,077
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
If the police feel they need to ID you and you don't have ID, then its a trip to the station and a wait for someone to come and ID you.
__________________
Cycling Advocate
http://BaltimoreSpokes.org
. . . o
. . /L
=()>()
The Human Car is offline  
Old 04-17-11, 07:19 AM
  #37  
work4bike
Senior Member
 
work4bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlantic Beach Florida
Posts: 1,172
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1150 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Another reason, as if I needed one, to stay away from highly populated cities. I love how all this stuff happens in areas where people espouse progressivism and are taxed to the hilt.
work4bike is offline  
Old 04-17-11, 07:27 AM
  #38  
Dauphine
Senior Member
 
Dauphine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 118

Bikes: Terry Ganbit.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I saw a really bad one person bike 'accident' where a girl was riding her bike with her purse on the handlebars, the purse somehow got wedged in between her fork and her wheel, she went over the handlebars, and faceplanted onto asphalt. Lets just say that girl was lucky she had dental coverage on her health insurance.
It's definitely not safe to do, but it's not like there's a law against it, and the ticket is pretty egregious. She's riding a foldie anyway, so probably not going that fast.
Dauphine is offline  
Old 04-17-11, 07:41 AM
  #39  
work4bike
Senior Member
 
work4bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlantic Beach Florida
Posts: 1,172
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1150 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
I agree, I wouldn't ride like that; being a commuter/touring cyclist I'm set up for loads and know how something getting caught in the spokes, especially the front spokes can result in issues...She needs instruction, not harrassment by the cops. But in the end it's her decision; afterall she does look like one of them slow sidewalk riders.
Attached Images
work4bike is offline  
Old 04-17-11, 10:31 AM
  #40  
jputnam
Senior Member
 
jputnam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Pacific, WA
Posts: 1,260

Bikes: Custom 531ST touring, Bilenky Viewpoint, Bianchi Milano, vintage Condor racer

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by DaCiscoKid View Post
From the article:

"Lecomte du Nouy, who had been riding down Columbus Avenue at West 100th Street on Monday at 3 p.m. en route to pick up her 4-year-old daughter at nursery school, said she nearly lost her balance when the cop asked for her driver's license.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...#ixzz1JigJcNwi"

I honestly never carry my driver's license when I'm on my bike and I don't see that changing anytime soon (I've been considering a road-id, though). Does anyone carry their DL while they are riding? I'm just interested in thoughts on this.
I usually have my wallet with me, so I usually have my license. But there's no legal requirement to carry a license or provide one to the police.

The police are allowed to ask you to identify yourself, and if they can't verify your answers they can detain you to verify your identity. So if you have ID, it's simplest to carry it and give it when asked for it.
jputnam is offline  
Old 04-17-11, 12:45 PM
  #41  
exile
Senior Member
 
exile's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Binghamton, NY
Posts: 2,880

Bikes: 2016 Jamis Coda Comp, 2008 Surly Long Haul Trucker, 1999 Jamis Exile

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by john gault View Post
Another reason, as if I needed one, to stay away from highly populated cities. I love how all this stuff happens in areas where people espouse progressivism and are taxed to the hilt.
Most cyclist believe that the NYC police department are cracking down on cyclist in retaliation for the officer who pushed a guy off his bicycle during a Critical Mass demonstration and was found guilty of lying on a police report.
exile is offline  
Old 04-17-11, 03:09 PM
  #42  
coldfeet
Senior Member
 
coldfeet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,118
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Ah, ticket quotas! Oh, sorry, I meant "performance standards"
coldfeet is offline  
Old 04-17-11, 05:07 PM
  #43  
work4bike
Senior Member
 
work4bike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlantic Beach Florida
Posts: 1,172
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1150 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Originally Posted by exile View Post
Most cyclist believe that the NYC police department are cracking down on cyclist in retaliation for the officer who pushed a guy off his bicycle during a Critical Mass demonstration and was found guilty of lying on a police report.
And it may be. But it's just one scenario that can play out in these large populated cities where everyone is so concerned about their rights -- after all that's the reason all these big cities have these asinine CM rides. But that's not to excuse the cop's actions.
work4bike is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Fast Eddie
Alt Bike Culture
1
11-16-07 11:02 AM
Fast Eddie
Alt Bike Culture
3
07-14-07 01:03 PM
Shadowk3
Introductions
1
05-11-05 02:12 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.