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Konakazi 11-01-04 09:51 PM

Have a NY Chain, need a substitute lock
 
Hello,

OK so we all know Kryptonite's tube locks are garbage now. We also know that the replacement program is going very slowly.

Being that I have one of the easier locks to pick (the little yellow EV disc lock that came with my NY chain), I'd like to get a replacement lock for street use with my chain.

The look of the Molly lock on the Kryptonite site looks adequate, very much like the giant locks you see on delis or storefronts when they're closed. :D

Has anyone already bought a substitute like this that fits the chain and is tough as nails?

ultra-g 11-02-04 01:56 AM

Buy an American Lock, get the 700 series, like the 701 lock.

They sell them for about $29.00 at locksmiths or hardware stores.

These are commercial/industrial grade locks, the kind that stores use to lock their metal gates at night.

I bought one for my Kyrptonite chain, they weigh 6lbs together (pretty damn heavy), but the American Locks are going to be extremely hard to break.

slvoid 11-02-04 06:15 AM

While there is no sure way to completely secure your bike, some ways are more secure than others.
http://www.metal-spinners.co.uk/images/welder.jpg

Konakazi 11-02-04 07:46 AM

I'll have to check the hardware stores / Home Depot for that lock. :)

I just dug it up online, that's exactly the type I'm looking for.

http://www.usbuildersupply.com/AmericanLock/700.gif

If anyone has any alternate suggestions, for the sake of discussion, feel free and post more replies!

Guest 11-02-04 08:05 AM

Any of the Mul-T-Lock padlocks would be excellent. I have a great one I use with my NY Chain.

Koffee

supcom 11-02-04 08:10 AM

Mul-T-Lock makes a very nice shrouded padlock that would be very hard to pick or cut off with bolt cutters. They are sold only by locksmiths. Take your chain with you wherever you decide to get a lock to make sure the shackle is large enough.

Shrouded shackles are far superior to unshrouded but have less room for the chain. You want a shakle that is just large enough for the chain so there is no room for bolt cutters.

Konakazi 11-02-04 08:24 AM

I was googling the American Lock 700 series and came across an "interesting" website: lockpicking101.com! On their forums they're apparently discussing the other side of the game.


The second tool is called the "AM700 Opening Tool". It looks exactly the same except that instead of a flattened end, it has a slightly curved/bent end, like the head of a hook pick (only round, not flat). A strong enough paper clip would probably do the same thing if you bent two millimeters of it at the end at a 45 degree angle. According to the catalog, it opens American Key Operated Padlock Series 700, 1105, 5100 and also all American Non-Key Retaining Padlocks (but does not work on new style locks with shields installed). By the by, all these numbers can usually be found stamped into the body of the padlock somewhere. This tool is the same for operation. . .just insert into the back of the keyway, twist, and the lock comes open.
Nice, huh? :mad:

So, Mul-T-Lock, eh? :p Their e-series looks good...

http://www.mul-t-lock.com/

Guest 11-02-04 08:37 AM

The e-series padlocks are a bit too small for the NY Chain. Go with the G series lock: T-series Solid Brass Body With Shackle Protector Option. I think that's the one I got. It's a bit difficult to fiddle with the first couple of times, but take the chain into a locksmith (not every locksmith as Mul-T-Lock, so call around first) and let them fit the lock for you, then tell them to let you try to lock it up using their model first so you can get a feel for how to quickly manipulate your lock closed and re-opened.

I feel confident in the Mul-T-Lock.

Koffee

ultra-g 11-02-04 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Konakazi
I was googling the American Lock 700 series and came across an "interesting" website: lockpicking101.com! On their forums they're apparently discussing the other side of the game.



Nice, huh? :mad:

So, Mul-T-Lock, eh? :p Their e-series looks good...

http://www.mul-t-lock.com/


The E-series probably won't fit with the Kryptonite chain, but the G-series is a "medium security" lock, whatever that means. Is it any more secure than the American Lock?

That website you linked to seems to be for professional lockpickers, who most likely will find out a way to pick any lock, no matter how technologically advanced the design is, they spend most of their time trying to find the hardest locks to pick, then practice picking them.

Konakazi 11-02-04 01:26 PM

They can be pros or not, but having simple instructions on what tools to use to hack a lock sitting on the web is not very comforting. :o

I like the concept of locks being a deterrent though, rather than some fail safe system. I think that's definitely a more rational approach than to think that any lock is "theft proof" or what not.

Just shopping for ideas and when I googled the American lock and the second result was how to pick it, I wasn't exactly filled with enthusiasm!

I have to get myself in to some hardware stores and see what I can find locally for sure, but having some info going in to it will help out.

Guest 11-02-04 01:27 PM

The lock I gravitated towards was the E series lock, and it definitely was a heavier lock. However, it was too small for the links to fit in the lock.

The G series lock is still strong, very sturdy, reinforced, and even a "medium security" lock is stronger than the American lock.

The locksmith said just about every lock is pickable, BUT the idea is to thwart the potential thief or possibly slow them down. He was very clear- these locks are great locks, very strong, but with time, energy, and effort... perhaps. He showed me some locks where the thieves tried to break them- they looked terrible- it looked like sometimes, they took pickaxes, or they took jackhammers to the locks. But by the time the police got there, they hadn't broken the locks.

Now, if the thief goes through all that, if they really want your bike, no matter what you lock you used, they'll get it. At that point, it's good to have insurance, which I do. I just want to slow them down or frustrate them enough to go to the next bike that has less security and steal that one.

Koffee

Konakazi 11-02-04 06:38 PM

koffee (love your name),

did you get yours online or at a brick & mortar store?

Konakazi 11-02-04 09:02 PM

Eh? Which one is it, Merton? TELL MEEEEEE!!!

tacomee 11-02-04 11:39 PM

I have master keys to most all padlocks (all the MasterLock, American and a bunch of others). Mul-T-Lock masters are harder to get and they are a lock tough to break, but it's not really that hard to defeat any padlock. The best padlocks are the round ones with a stainless sheetmetal body and a brass dead action lock-- but this won't fit though a heavy chain like the "New York" Look of a shielded shank that bolt cutters can't easy snip

Kryptonite has been ripping off cyclists for years becuase it's possible to buy a Kyptonite 4 ft square chain (just like the 3 ft NY chain) AND a good quality, shielded shank padlock in some hardware stores and tool outlets for 35 bucks. It seems constuction workers aren't the fools cyclists are with their money.

Konakazi 11-03-04 06:21 PM

Thanks for the info, Merton! Now to find a local shop so I can check if the chain clears.

Tacomee, I hear what you're saying. That's pretty resourceful. I think people just tend to go for the shortest route and/or by reputation.

Clearly you are the crafty one with your master keys and all...

Now stay away from my bike! :D


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