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What cross bike is a good compliment to the LHT?

Old 05-24-11, 12:48 PM
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What cross bike is a good compliment to the LHT?

I commute several times a week on the LHT and love it for what it is. I use the LHT as both a commuter and a utility bike, and regularly have two panniers (Arkel UBs) plus bar bag completely loaded. I won't give up this bike.

There are times when I want to ride solo or do fast commutes with just a bar or seat bag, and want something more svelte. I also ride at lunch sometimes with guys from work and although I am reasonably fit, I struggle to keep up.

I have also attended a couple of cyclocross races as a spectator, and definitely have a desire to do that as well. Would I see a noticeable difference on a Cross Check over the LHT, or should I be looking at a lighter cross bike? I am also looking at the Jake, the Jake the Snake, and the Gary Fisher Erwin, but I have not had the opportunity to ride any of these bikes yet.
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Is this a joke? You are drinking from the Surly glass and you are considering a cross bike other than the Cross Check?
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Why, a Cross Check, of course!

My girlfriend loves hers. She was looking at the LHT, and found a deal on a pre-owned but not used CC with a few upgrades. Having test ridden the Long Haul Trucker, she says the Cross Check is about as heavy, but more responsive, better at cornering, and quicker to accelerate. ( Of course, she could be making it all up, so you should test ride one. )

I think CX bikes tend to be heavy, at least compared to road racing bikes.
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I'll definitely test ride the Cross Check before committing. It looks like I'm not going to find anything significantly lighter than the Cross Check unless I nearly double what I would pay for the Cross Check. I'm thinking that I will get the cross check and then shed some weight with upgrades down the road.

I'm not ready to go full-on road racing bike, so I know I have little chance to come in under 20#.
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I use my CAAD9-5 for my speed fun. Pacer might work with upgraded wheels.
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The Specialized TriCross is a pretty decent bike. I test rode that and the CC, but ultimately settled on a LHT. However, speed or responsiveness were not at the top of my "must have" list.
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It can be more expensive to get a light bike by upgrading a heavy one, than by starting from scratch.

Also, are you planning to take the bike off the paved roads (much)?

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I'll definitely test ride the Cross Check before committing. It looks like I'm not going to find anything significantly lighter than the Cross Check unless I nearly double what I would pay for the Cross Check. I'm thinking that I will get the cross check and then shed some weight with upgrades down the road.

I'm not ready to go full-on road racing bike, so I know I have little chance to come in under 20#.
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The CC is different enough from the LHT to justify owning both. However as a dedicated cyclocross bike for racing purposes, there are better bikes for the money if you plan on racing competitively. But the CC can certainly hold its own on a "beer league" race level with the right parts.
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I love my Fantom CX. I don't have too much trouble keeping up on club rides, even though it's pretty loaded with fenders, bags and such.

However, that said, I'd love to have a Soma Double Cross DC.
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If you're talking about racing I wouldn't get a Cross Check. Remember, you have to CARRY the bike for part of the course so weight really does matter.
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Originally Posted by JAG410
The CC is different enough from the LHT to justify owning both. However as a dedicated cyclocross bike for racing purposes, there are better bikes for the money if you plan on racing competitively. But the CC can certainly hold its own on a "beer league" race level with the right parts.
I think this is what I am looking for. Something that is noticeably more spry than the LHT, but still rugged enough to take off road. I'm all about the beer league.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
I think CX bikes tend to be heavy, at least compared to road racing bikes.
That's sort of like saying a CORR Pro-4 truck is heavy compared to a Ferrarri. They're totally different vehicles meant for different tasks. Of course a CX bike is heavier. Most aren't running compact geo frames (for shouldering capability), they're running larger tires by 7 - 10mm (with knobby tread), often have heavier rims, etc.
That said, the Cross-Check is still a tank when compared with other CX bikes and if you're planning to race it there are more issues than just the weight. BB cable routing being one of them.
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If it were me, I'd go with a bike that is set for cx racing to get the most out of the second bike (you already have a bike that you can load up - racks, etc, why duplicate?).
So, a CX race-oriented bike would allow you to dive into the CX race scene, and would serve as a fast road bike as well (albeit one with a high BB). Throw a seatpost rack or handlebar bag on it for some utility on the road, or just go with a backpack/messenger bag to stay with the light and fast idea.

I'd pose the question over in the CX forums to see what they'd recommend re: good bike for getting into CX racing
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Originally Posted by aggiegrads
I also ride at lunch sometimes with guys from work and although I am reasonably fit, I struggle to keep up.
If your LHT is 30lbs and you're sprinting/hill climbing then you'll notice "some" difference with a lighter bike but ONLY if you're capable of putting out more hp with that lighter bike. In other words if you set up the lighter cross bike with a seat/bar position that is upright and similar to the LHT and you're not accustomed to high hp spinning at 90rpm then the change in bikes will still leave you struggling.

My $.02 is to try smaller/lighter tires and a more aggressive riding position on the LHT and after seeing what a difference that makes get a cyclocross bike, if I was light/fit I'd look at a TriCross over a Cross-Check.
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I just got a CC so I have to say CC....it's plenty fast enough for what you want to do.
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Personally, I would go for more difference with a second bike. I don't know anything about racing, but I would lean towards a Kona Jake series or maybe a Masi CXR versus another steel bike with similar components and just a little bit different geometry for the second bike.
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IMHO - consider a Surly Pacer ?
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Originally Posted by canyoneagle
If it were me, I'd go with a bike that is set for cx racing to get the most out of the second bike
This.

If you've got the budget for a Jake the Snake, get that. I have both a Jake and a Cross Check, and I definitely prefer the Jake for CX racing (which you absolutely must try). I can't quite put my finger on what makes it better, but I think it's something in the geometry. The new Jake the Snake is supposed to be even more optimized for racing.
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Hrrrmmm, just a guess... maybe the aluminum frame and carbon fork vs an all Cro-Mo frame? It's just an idea...
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Ridley are also Distributed by QBP, I believe.

if you are going to join in the PDX race CX scene this fall .

or one of the Red Line conquest cross bikes. SBS ..
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Originally Posted by martianone
IMHO - consider a Surly Pacer ?
Pacer is going to max out at a low-tread 32mm tire and have no mud clearance if you do wedge it into the frame. Plus it's set up for calipers rather than cantis; not that you can't ride CX on calipers (I ride with a couple guys who do), but when the slop gets heavy I'd rather have better clearance than what the Pacer offers.
However, if it were just being set up as a road bike, then the Pacer is a pretty nice setup (although a bit on the weighty side.)
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Another vote for the Jake here. I have one and love it.
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Originally Posted by Oil_LOL
Hrrrmmm, just a guess... maybe the aluminum frame and carbon fork vs an all Cro-Mo frame? It's just an idea...
Assuming you're referring to my Jake vs. Cross Check comparison, I don't think that's it. The Jake I am claiming races better has a steel fork and is less than a pound lighter than the Cross Check. The Jake just feels snappier. I guess the aluminum frame could be a part of that.
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Yeah, I was referring to the Kona/Surly comparison. I haven't ridden either, my guess was that the aluminum frame was better for shouldering, and perhaps faster. I think that the Cross Check seems better suited for being a commuter/light tourer, just based on geometry. It's marketed as a CX bike, because it probably makes a decent one, has a higher BB than the LHT, and it's easier to describe to the general public that way.
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