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Old 06-20-11, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by no1mad View Post
You like coaster brakes? Check out the Kona Bike for 3 speeds or Torker's KB2 for a 2 speeder.
sweet! are there any 7 or 8 speeds with a coaster brake? that would save weight from a disk set up right? (and would stop just as good too.)
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Recent buy, here, is a Bike Friday,with 406 20" wheels . disc brakes, and IG hub ,
are an Option.
+ I believe Schawalbe makes a studded 406 tire.

It is a very nice bike , well suited to a load in the front panniers , as trail is small.

and smaller, lighter, wheels will make taking up and down stairs easier too..

It's frame, has their 'heavy rider ' option ,
so rather than the 1 large oval boom tube ,
there is a triangle of smaller tubes.

that makes grabbing the frame tube to lift the bike easier..

light , high quality steel, bikes built in Oregon.

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Old 06-20-11, 09:23 AM
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Ok i found that the 7 speed comes with a coaster brake, but it has only a twist shifter and i hate those. i cannot find a index shifter. Sheldon Browns site tells me only shifter made for the IGH hub work. So am i out of luck finding a coaster brake IGH w/o twist shifters?
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Old 06-20-11, 09:35 AM
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Sturmey Archer ,now, has a few different shift levers for their IG hub

Thumb and bar end, + the venerable AW3 trigger shifter.

3 and 5 speed. not sure if their 8 speed has other than a grip shifter..

! are there any 7 or 8 speeds with a coaster brake? that would save weight from a disk set up right? (and would stop just as good too.)
No, the stopping power of a coaster brake is limited,
partially by being in the back wheel, but also just by speed of the rider..

A drum brake weighs more but, is quite trouble free, and smooth modulation.

but for stopping short, a disc brake system is hard to beat..

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Old 06-20-11, 09:55 AM
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While not exactly a lightweight, I carry my belt-drive, IGH-equipped, disc-braked 2010 Norco Ceres up and down stairs on a semi-regular basis. The 2011 version upgrades to hydraulic discs and a sharp, deep-green paint job.

As purchased:



Fully commuterized:

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I ride a 5 speed sturmey-archer drum brake equipped kilo wt. I built my own drum brake wheels for this bike, probably didn't go over 600 for the whole thing... I'd started this bike before I found out about the torker graduate. The graduate is a nicely equipped bike and as fietsbob mentioned sturmey-archer makes almost all kinds of shifters for its 5 speed hubs regardless of the kind of brake you have in it.
X-RC5(W) is the sturmey archer 5 speed coaster brake and it'll work with any other SA 5 speed shifters. SA really has done a nice job with shifter options.

Personally I think disk brakes would be overkill on a flat, 4 mile commute. I ride my drum brake bike on longer rides as well and haven't found anything to complain about... longer chainstays would be nice for big panniers but a bigger rack would solve that problem for me. Starting over I would likely build it up from scratch using the origin 8 mixte to keep costs down and give me more room for panniers.

Have you looked at folding bikes? I just got a raleigh twenty and I love it, but it's heavy like an anchor, so maybe a more modern one would work.
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Yeah personally, I won't get a bike with a coaster brake - I've heard to many people say the stopping distance with a coaster brake gets kind of abysmal. I don't know about a "drum" brake, I've never used one or heard much about them.
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Old 06-20-11, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by PaulRivers View Post
Yeah personally, I won't get a bike with a coaster brake - I've heard to many people say the stopping distance with a coaster brake gets kind of abysmal. I don't know about a "drum" brake, I've never used one or heard much about them.
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No, the stopping power of a coaster brake is limited,
partially by being in the back wheel, but also just by speed of the rider..

A drum brake weighs more but, is quite trouble free, and smooth modulation.

but for stopping short, a disc brake system is hard to beat..
but a coaster matched to a front rim brake would give a good stopping distance in foul weather wouldn't it. plus and save weight and cost from the disk set up. I dont think in bad weather i will be going ballz out to take advantage of the disks so just thinking the coaster and front rim brake may save me money and weight.
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Old 06-20-11, 10:13 AM
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Oh yeah - the other thing about an IGH with a coaster brake is that I've read, repeatedly, that it becomes a major PITA to get the back wheel off, which you'll need to do to change the tire of if you get a flat.
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Thanks for the sturmey idea Clasher and fietsbob that may be the ticket checked their sight but it only goes up to 5 gears with a coaster. but the trigger shifter is the deal maker!

Irclean, its not that i cant lug a heavy bike i do it daily with my 41 pounder now, i just would rather not have to do it.


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Oh yeah - the other thing about an IGH with a coaster brake is that I've read, repeatedly, that it becomes a major PITA to get the back wheel off, which you'll need to do to change the tire of if you get a flat.

Yeah my current flat plan is if i get one i hop on the bus and fix it at home, so the PITA will be in my warm home with hot coco which will bring the PITA to minor irk. but still good to know the downfall of that set up.
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Old 06-20-11, 11:16 AM
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Yeah my current flat plan is if i get one i hop on the bus and fix it at home, so the PITA will be in my warm home with hot coco which will bring the PITA to minor irk. but still good to know the downfall of that set up.
My point is that it has a lot of disadvantages but not a lot of advantages. It might cost less, I'm not sure. I really wouldn't expect some huge improvement in weight though.
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Old 06-20-11, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
3 and 5 speed. not sure if their 8 speed has other than a grip shifter..
SA doesn't make one, but JTEK Engineering makes a bar-end for the SA 8-speed.

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Yeah personally, I won't get a bike with a coaster brake - I've heard to many people say the stopping distance with a coaster brake gets kind of abysmal. I don't know about a "drum" brake, I've never used one or heard much about them.
The problem with coaster brakes isn't the stopping power, it's that you have almost no modulation of the brake force. They're either "on" or "off" and there's very little in between. On a bike with very fat tires, you can get decent stopping power with them, but on skinnies, it'll just skid unless you get it just right. Drum brakes don't have as much max stopping force, but they have excellent modulation, work on any size wheel, and are mostly impervious to weather.
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I'll add a plug for the old version of the Novara Fusion. I used to own this bike and it was well within the range of 25-30lbs. Maybe 27lbs for a Large. The new Fusion that REI is selling has been modified by an extra top bar for strength. I think this adds weight, but I haven't looked at one of those to verify.

I took off the fenders, to lighten it was well. The front wheel has a dynamo light wheel (adds a little bit of weight). You could swap it out for a lighter front wheel. Remove rear rack? Shimano alfine equipped and mechanical disc brakes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4p3Qc8wc1o

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Sturmey-Archer Drum brakes have worked flawlessly for me for over 20 years,

now they offer a combination front hub dynamo and drum brake hub, all the better

particularly if the light system includes a stand-light, .. a capacitor is included ,

to maintain lights on, at stoplights or slower parts of the ride.
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I ran across some other threads in a quick search on drum brakes:

http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=138059

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gloss_dr-z.html

Drum Brake

A drum brake is a hand-operated brake which is built into, or attached to the hub of a wheel, with shoes that press against the inside of a cylindrical drum. The drum may be the inside of an oversized hub shell, or may be a separate unit which screws on to the side of the hub, by threads like those to which freewheels attach.
Drum brakes are common on automobiles and motorcycles, but fairly rare on bicycles, mainly due to their weight. The greatest advantage of a drum brake is that it is unaffected by rain. Drum brakes are commonly used as drag brakes on tandems. See my article on Tandem Brakes.
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Oh yeah - the other thing about an IGH with a coaster brake is that I've read, repeatedly, that it becomes a major PITA to get the back wheel off, which you'll need to do to change the tire of if you get a flat.
well certainly no records will be set, but I can change mine out in under 5 minutes these days. The first time I took much longer untill I realized which side to leave attached and which side to disconnect. On the torker grad the brake side is easiest to take off and leave the drive side on. there is enough room to pull the tire and wheel out of the drops and change tires or tubes.

I carry a park mt-1 and 6-inch crescent.
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Originally Posted by FunkyStickman View Post
Drum brakes don't have as much max stopping force, but they have excellent modulation, work on any size wheel, and are mostly impervious to weather.
Well I dunno how to quantify it any more but I can lock up by rear wheel and come to a stop pretty damn quickly with my drum brake bike. I'm a good 210-220 and usually carry some stuff with me, so if you're keeping under 30km/h drum brakes are more than enough stopping power I think. I don't know how much my bike weighs but it is heavy for sure. Consider just the front drum/dynamo hub and rim brake rear.
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Originally Posted by CJ C View Post
just the frame is $2k that *may be a bit over the budget
Ah, so you want lightweight, feature rich and low cost.
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Ah, so you want lightweight, feature rich and low cost.
To be fair, just the frame costing $2k *is* getting pretty top-end... :-)
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Ok i was thinking i could just do this (see below) for my winter bike and leave it locked up outside so i wont have to carry it up stairs?

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/2453327272.html and rattle can it all black
5 speed sturmey IGH coaster brake
studded tires

would be nice to have a lightweight dedicated 4 season IGH commuter, but lightweight and reasonable price dont mix i guess
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Ok i was thinking i could just do this (see below) for my winter bike and leave it locked up outside so i wont have to carry it up stairs?

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/2453327272.html and rattle can it all black
5 speed sturmey IGH coaster brake
studded tires

would be nice to have a lightweight dedicated 4 season IGH commuter, but lightweight and reasonable price dont mix i guess
A sturmey archer 5 speed hub is not light. It is dependable, and can be reasonable priced.
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newer 5 speeds are a 3 speed ratio set in the middle , + 2 outside of that,
Older ones were closer ratio.

Buying all the parts retail Vs finding a 90% right , bike
and swapping stuff for the last 10%..

consider the higher rolling resistance of a 26" 1.9" tire,
vs a 700-35 studded tire , in deciding the bike for the miles that you have to go.
then, consider a disc braked commuter, with a wheel-hub swap,,
say to a Shimano Alfine.

You can get those anodized black, so a rattle can on the regular aluminum shine
wont be as needed.

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I commute 20-30 miles (RT) per day using my Surly Karate Monkey with Alfine 8 IGH, thumb shifter, BB7 disc brakes, fenders, & Schwalbe marathon supreme 50's. I also put on a topeak rack even though it's frowned upon. I have to weigh the bike to get the exact amount but it's in the 30-35# ballpark. I think you can do a similar set-up with the Surly Troll as well. Rolls over all types of nastiness without issue. The winds here in Dallas are similar to Chicago and I find the Alfine 8 has plenty of range.
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I don't know why people hate on grip shifters. What's the big deal? If you're charging hard up a mountain in the Alps in the Tour, I suppose it does. For city riding though ?

Yes the coaster on my SRAM S7 does make it more difficult to get the wheel off (add ~5 min to the whole job). But, I ride a very puncture resistant rear tire (panaracer t-serv) which means I get about 1 flat per 3000 glass-strewn city miles.

As for the stopping distance. It is not as good as disk brakes, undoubtedly. But I don't even need to use my 'back up' front caliper brake unless a car does something unexpected. I ride 10 miles 2x/day (Foster and Kedzie to Roosevelt and Damen) pretty vigorously and maybe need to use my other brake once.
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Originally Posted by CJ C View Post
Ok i was thinking i could just do this (see below) for my winter bike and leave it locked up outside so i wont have to carry it up stairs?

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/2453327272.html and rattle can it all black
5 speed sturmey IGH coaster brake
studded tires

would be nice to have a lightweight dedicated 4 season IGH commuter, but lightweight and reasonable price dont mix i guess
Check the rear spacing. I'm guessing it's 135, which would be doable but annoying with the SA 5-speed.
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