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Old 08-07-11, 01:44 PM
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I want to commute on my Allez and I need tire help

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Background: My bike is a 2010 Allez Double. I want to use it for commuting about six miles each way to some classes I'm taking at a juco. I don't need to carry more than a messenger bag, but I have a tire question.

Right now the Allez is shod in 700x23 slicks. Our county's bike path system goes almost directly from my house to the college. So, about 90 percent of this commute is going to be on a paved bike path, which is in pretty decent shape, but a bit rough in spots.

I'm wondering about tire choices. I'm thinking I could go up to 28s on my rims and was looking at Contenental Touring Plus tires, but I'm open to suggestions.

FYI, my rims are stock (meaning marginal) and I want to use these rims for commuting, all-season use and when clipped into the trainer. Later, I want to make an investment in good rims and tires for road use only.

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Any suggestions on tires or any experience with the Conti setup I mentioned?

I'm assuming the rims (23s I think) will take 28s, but somebody might tell me I'm deluded?

Wondering about what set up will give me a bit cushier ride?

Thanks!
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The sheldon brown website that has chart of recommended tire size for a given rim width. Often you can go outside those recommendations without any trouble.

I don't know what rims Specialized is shipping with the Allez Double anymore but on my 2005 they were Alex DA16s. They're a bit wider than a typical road rim. They're not high end by any stretch but I've had no problems with them and they get a lot of use. They get time on the winter bike too and the tires I use for that are 40mm.

I have no experience with the Contis. I always check sites like roadbikereview when looking for tires to see what gives both a decent ride and decent flat protection. As far as 28 mm tires go, I'm sure they'd be fine on your current rims.

In my experience, higher thread count tires give a nicer ride but they cost more and often wear quicker.
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The frame is probably going to dictate the max width of tires, not the rims. Check the space between the chain stays, seat stays, and fork before you buy anything.

Have you ridden this route much? There is not going to be a remarkable difference in ride feel between 23s and 28s. Another option is that you could ride your 23s and maybe 15% below recommended inflation pressure, which would give you a softer ride. Regardless, if you're going to juco, you can't be more than 20 or so, and you are more than resilient enough to ride fully pressurized 23s through a couple rough spots over 6 miles. You may be able to save the cash and use it for books instead.... Or, if your bike takes them, fenders may be a more worthwhile mod.
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I have a 2010 Allez Steel Double, which is similar to your Allez Double, and find that the place where fitting tires can be challenging is clearance due to the front derailleur clamp. There are some 28s that will fit, such as Gatorskins which tend to run a bit small, but you may be better off sticking with your 23s or just going up to 25s. The Touring Plus tires are really good, but probably overkill for what you are describing. They also have a slightly taller profile than Gatorskins. If you decide to try out the Touring Plus tires, you should get them fitted on the bike at the shop so they can keep them if they don't clear your front derailleur clamp.

While my Allez is not my primary commuter, I do use it from time to time on my longish commute (13.5 miles each way). I run Vittoria Rubino Pro III tires (700x23c), and run the front at a little over 100 pounds and the rear at 120 pounds. The bike is comfortable with these pressures. My route has some rather rough spots, but I've never had a pinch flat due to under-inflation. With my current setup, I have no desire to move up to 28s.

Here is a Bicycle Quarterly article on bike pressures that has a useful table for determining proper tire pressures for your weight: http://www.bikequarterly.com/images/TireDrop.pdf

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Old 08-07-11, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by powitte View Post
Regardless, if you're going to juco, you can't be more than 20 or so, and you are more than resilient enough to ride fully pressurized 23s through a couple rough spots over 6 miles. You may be able to save the cash and use it for books instead.... Or, if your bike takes them, fenders may be a more worthwhile mod.
Had to laugh at that one. I am 44 with a bachelor's degree in journalism and a 20 year career in newspapers

I am returning to school to go into healthcare.

On topic, I like your idea of fenders. It might look dorky, but I have seen some blade fenders that might work. I suppose I could run lower pressures up front, but i would like at least a better tread pattern for commuting. Any suggestions anyone? I know I could do at least 25s, which it seems there are more choices available.
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Old 08-07-11, 09:17 PM
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By the way, i checked and my Allez has Alexrims S500s. I am over 200 pounds and might want to move up to 36 spokes and better rims. It looks like Mavic makes an Open Pro that is not too pricey. My LBS carries Mavic and I'll have them do all the work. Remember, I don't want to spend a lot on this setup. Later, I want to upgrade to a nice road setup when I have more cash. Plus, I will gift myself a Tricross when I graduate in a couple of years.
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Best tread pattern for commuting on streets is probably the same pattern you have on the tires now, - none.

Seriously.

Manufacturers know this but they'll often put some tread on the tires just to satisfy the buyers who think they need it. You don't. Bikes don't go fast enough to hydroplane.

The Crud fenders are something I'd like to try. Race Blades work OK but if you leave them on for long periods of time grit can get under the mounts and scratch up the paint.
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Old 08-08-11, 03:55 AM
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I run specialized armadillos on my cross check, but they tend to run a bit large so as others have mentioned already you may not be able to squeeze a 25 in there. They provide fantastic flat protection and a smooth ride, but I pay the price in rolling resistance.

As for wheelsets, I run a set of el cheapo vintage wheels from a low end schwinn on my winter commuter, and while they do tend to get out of true by the end of the winter a quick tune up and good as new. The point is that as long as you keep an eye on your wheels and give them the attention that they need, you should be just fine running stock rims.
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Old 08-08-11, 06:18 AM
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Is your commute route hilly? If so, you might want to stay away from the touring tires unless the pavement is really bad. I commute on 23-25s folding road tires most of the time, 22 miles round trip. My route has a lot of hills, so tire weight is important to me. Since I only get about 1-2 flats a year, that is a small price to pay for easier riding up the hills. I have tried larger, heavier tires and it just wasn't worth it -- plus I am not convinced they are any more flat resistant (at least not on my route). Most of my commuting now is on Continental GP 4000s and some old Michelin Pro2 Races (which are more durable and flat-resistant) that the current Pro3s.
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I believe Allez con only go up to 25mm, if not 23. I use GP4000's on mine and they have been awesome so far. No flats in ~2000 miles. I ride a secteur and I can barely fit the 25mm so I don't see the Allez a tire any wider that 25mm.
And if you have the stock wheelset, CXP22's I believe, it have no problem handling 28mm tires, the problem will be the frame/brakes clearance.
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I commute on an Allez double (2006). I ran Panaracer RiBMo 25s for a little while but went back to 23s recently when I found a good deal on Michelin Krylions. The RiBMo 25s was a very tight fit for clearance. I would expect you to need to test anything larger for fit. Frame clearance will be your limiting factor well before rim size.

For cushier ride I would get 25 or a 28 that will fit and inflate to below the max pressure. But when you start off with less air in the tire you need to be more careful that tire pressure doesn't drop too low and cause punctures from snake bite.

I like the tires with reflective sidewalls for commuting in principle but generally can't afford them.
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Old 08-09-11, 09:29 AM
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I'm running 23c Specialized Mondos right now. I run them at 110 psi (5 psi under spec) and so now I'm thinking about Specialized Armadillos on Mavic Open Pro 36-spoke wheels. I understand that the Armadillos are 23c but are closer to 25c in size. With the rough trail I think the wheels are going to stay true longer with 36 spokes given my size and the rough conditions. I think the Armadillos might offer more puncture protection. My current wheels are actually not that bad and have gotten better with use. I've only got about 100 miles on the bike - it's new. I rode part of the trail today. Man it's rough in places. It follows a creek so it's mostly flat, but I love the short, steep climbs to hit the overpasses in places.
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You can run the Mondos lower than 110 on the front, depending on your weight. That will improve the ride, though you may just need time to acclimate to riding skinny road wheels and tires. I ride over some pretty rough areas with my Allez on its stock Alex s500 wheels (32 spoke), and they do quite well at staying true. Granted, I've only had my Allez since March and have only put a little over 1,000 miles on it so far, I am satisfied with the wheels as being sturdy basic wheels.

If you are wanting a less rough ride, Armadillos are not the direction you want to go, as many feel they have a harsher ride than the Mondo Sport tires that came on your bike. You can get a better ride with Continental Grand Prix 4000s tires. They run average to small in size, so 25s should fit without problem.
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I commute on a Motobecane Immortal Ice CF running 23's with Continental Gatorskins. I have had no flats since I bought these about 1800 miles ago. I had a Specialized Armadillo on the back but have since worn a flat spot on the spine of the tire. The type of tire you use will depend on the style of riding you want to do. Slow commute you might want something comfortable and bullet proof, or a faster pace commute(almost a training ride style) you might want to look into a race/commute hybrid tire. Unless you are more than 180lbs I wouldn't worry too much about running with the 23mm tires.

I use the first generation of Crud Mudguard fenders and I love them(very light). Although you can only fit 23's in them. But using them I would think you could squeeze 25's in them as well.

I run the tires to the max psi @ 120, my commute varies from 15 miles to 38 miles and I don't mind the rough ride. Most of my commute is on smooth trail but I hit the occasional rough road.
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I have heard good things about the Continental Grand Prix 4000s. Are they pretty puncture resistant? My main thing, I guess, is that I don't want a flat on the way to class. I would sacrifice ride quality (somewhat) to have more puncture resistance.

I still will be doing road riding, so I don't want to get too crazy with a city-bike style tire (tread, I mean) so the Contis might be a good choice. Although the trail is pretty bumpy on the Mondos at 110 psi, I seem to handle it okay. My back did get a little sore by the end of the ride (something I don't usually experience), but it was gone pretty soon. I won't read anything into that unless it becomes a regular thing.

And Garate, I am over 180 quite a bit.
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The Conti Touring Plus are going to be heavy like nobody's business and will suck some of the joy out of the ride. I've been using Grand Prix 4 Seasons on my rain bike, which have the same protection system as the GP4000's (Vectran), but with two layers instead of one. The GP 4 Seasons are very nice -- probably not as smooth as the GP4000's but with better puncture protection.

I wouldn't worry about getting new wheels for this bike. The Alex rims may not be anything special, but they'll get the job done. A few years ago, I upgraded a from Alex/Tiagra wheels to Open Pro/Ultegras. Honestly, I didn't notice a lot of difference. Unless your wheels are giving you problems, just ride 'em.
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I have commuted primarily on Continental GP 4000s and 4 Seasons for the past three years. They are very durable and flat resistant as well as reasonably light. Fortunately I bought a bunch of them for $25-30 when probikekit.com had them on sale a while ago.
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My 2008 Allez runs just fine on 28s. I think that the rear triangle has the same dimensions.
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Well, the front mondo went flat today. I noticed it after I took it off the bike carrier. Not sure what happened and I have not had time to check it out. I think I would have noticed it if it had gone flat on the ride. Might be time to invest in those tires. I'm doing a charity ride Sunday. I'm really thinking about the GP 4000s.
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Well, the front mondo went flat today. I noticed it after I took it off the bike carrier. Not sure what happened and I have not had time to check it out. I think I would have noticed it if it had gone flat on the ride. Might be time to invest in those tires. I'm doing a charity ride Sunday. I'm really thinking about the GP 4000s.
The Mondos on my Allez weren't the most flat resistant. I sold them with another bike and I was pretty clear with the buyer that they may want some different tires.
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Armadillo are pretty puncture proof from what I can tell, gatorskins are a popular choice but I am sure that many people could recommend similar tires. I wouldn't go GP 40000s, even though they are puncture resistant, they are puncture resistant for a racing tire.

If you don't care about racing, I'd get a harder tire like an armadillo. I believe the armadillo is said to be the end all to punctures, being a super hard tire and gatorskins would come in a very close second. Not to say that you can forget about what you are riding over. You still need to pay attention try to avoid flats. Gatorskins are still a good buy though, and probably provide more value because of lower cost compared to armadillos. If you take care of them, they'll take care of you.

What will dictate if you can move to 28s are the fork width and if you can get it between the brake calipers. Sucks to hear you've gotten a flat, let us know which tire you ended up going with.
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After talking with the guy at the LBS, I went with 23mm Conti Grand Prix Four Seasons. These are going to be my beater rims and I didn't want to buy another set before winter. I think this gives me a good balance, not sacraficing speed for durability and the guy said it would give me a bit more compliant ride, especially when I'm on the bike path. He said most people around here do pretty well on these tires. Next year I'll buy a set of purpose road rims and tires, where speed is more of an issue.

I'll let you know if I made the right choice or not. I'm doing that event ride this weekend, so it will be a good test.
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I love the Conti GP 4 Seasons. It's perfect for what I do. I noticed the ride was a bit plusher and not any sacrifice in speed. Of course I'm not the well-oiled machine I used to be. I still am running the Specialized Mondo on the back, which I'll get around to changing this week.
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The Modos that came with my bike lasted about 3/4 as long as Conti Ultra Gatorskins, but gave little warning that they were worn out. I had just started noticing a flat spot down-the-center, and two weeks later I was riding directly on the belt of puncture-resistant plastic beneath the rubber in a few places.

I had similar plans to replace the rims. Mine came with Jalco Dynamic rims. The brake surface is rough, and they are a little heavy, but they are very strong. They seem as strong as the Velocity Deep V's on my other bike. Damn tough.
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The Mondo Sport tires seemed to wear out fairly quickly for me. I got a little less than 1,000 miles before the back tire was thin enough to puncture on seemingly everything. The front one was still good, so I guess I could've moved it to the back and put a new Mondo Sport on the front. Instead, I replaced both of them with Vittoria Rubino III tires and saved the front Mondo Sport for an emergency backup tire.
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